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April 19, 2016

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April 19, 2016

Very true Bob - buying before April '17 means whatever road tax is applicable on the car then STAYS at the same price (apart from maybe  a slight Budget increase in time), whilst ALL cars under £40,000 will pay £140 per year,( including the 1st year, often "free" now) . If you're lucky enough to be able to buy one over £40k then you'll pay approx £500 per year road tax for the 1st few years. It proves to me that all the hullabaloo about concern for emissions etc is pure bunkum - it won't matter what your emissions are on "normal" (ie, none electric) engines, your road tax will be the same (£140 pa) whether you've a 3 litre gas guzzler or a 3 pot Nissan "Pixi" !! Watch used car prices plummet after Christmas when plenty will part ex their cars to beat the new rates - the market will be flooded with used bargains & brand new ones at the lower road tax levels. Me ? I plan to order in June to collect in September to beat the "rush" !   John (JKW)

April 19, 2016

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April 19, 2016

Just to clarify, the new £140 rate ONLY applies to cars bought new from April '17 onwards - if your current car, for example, costs £20 pa road tax now, it'll stay at that price for it's lifetime. John (JKW)

April 19, 2016

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April 19, 2016

John dos that mean high prices German/Italian /British cars sales will plummet oooops there goes my Range Rover ,now I'll have to buy a Dacia

April 21, 2016

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April 21, 2016

It's all bunkum, total rubbish in my opinion, all designed to rip Joe Bloggs off. I am certainly not rich by any stretch of the imagination but having treated myself to a rather large and expensive new BMW  last year that car would now almost double in road tax under the new legislation just because of its price. It's as bad as being assessed for council tax on the value of your house. We pay over £2000 pa council tax as we are banded E, we were banded F but I appealed. So, the two of us (like most people who are members on this site), have no kids at school or whatever, we produce little rubbish, recycle everything, we live in a private road unadopted by the council so we have to pay for its upkeep, we have never had any benefits, grants or financial support , in short we cost the treasury and the council next to sod all but pay double, in some cases triple, what people living in a smaller house with 5/6 kids in it does. to add insult to injury, people living in Westminster and some other posh London postcodes pay LESS council tax than we do for properties worth 2/3 times what ours is worth!! Back to cars and road tax. The whole emissions farce and the green levy is a total waste of space. SO; we reduce our emissions by inducing higher road taxes on cars, we ruin our steel producers by charging them astronomical green energy fees and corporation taxes making their product  commercially unviable. Meanwhile China and India , the two biggest polluters in the globe, say, "it's our turn now, the West had it's turn at being the leading industrial nations and the biggest polluters so stuff you all". Does ANYONE believe all the carbon emissions and pollutants from those mega producers stays over THEIR countries and doesn't effect whatever the green nerds believe is driving us all to extinction?? Apropos JKW's belief the new road tax will affect car buyers, savvy car producers will price their cars that might otherwise have been ticketed at say just over £40k or thereabouts to £39,99,99 just as house sellers lower their prices to beat the levies on property sale taxes. My final point concerns diesel. A few years ago we were all being asked to buy diesel cars as they achieved greater mpg figures and were thus "greener". Now some inner cities are imposing surcharges on diesel cars entering their payment zones. Where did it all go wrong? How come we were the only country in the whole of Europe where diesel until recently cost MORE than petrol??  It is CHEAPER to produce. Grrrrrrrr, it's all the blind leading the blind we are truly a nation of lions led by donkeys, goats oh and and prats let's not forget the prats.!

April 21, 2016

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April 21, 2016

Re "Blind leading Blind" comment David, you are being extremely gentle in your critisism of our so called leaders. I am too much of a gentleman  normally, but my own descriptive statement of their abilities would only contain four letters, an apostrophe then an "S" after it. But I am too polite to use any form of abusive language in public..... Make of it what you will!!!  But it does fit the scenario well. They could not run a raffle with only one prize, a preselected winner,and not without causing mayhem. They could, without any outside help, create World War 3 in a convent. ( I think that will be my call up into a 200 year prison sentence.....) But I agree totally with you in your comments in this string.

April 22, 2016

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April 22, 2016

Tom, I agree I was somewhat overly circumspect in my condemnation of our leaders but what really, really worries me is the fact we have so little in the way of viable alternatives. Corbyn is a total joke, all of the erstwhile pre election Labour big hitters, Balls, Cooper, Straw, et al have either been cast into the wilderness or have been politically neutered. In short (yes I know she was one of the Labour elite many moons ago!!) the opposition isn't an effective opposition; it is a total farce.  Despite all the media hype and rhetoric UKIP failed at the first fence, the Limp/Debs are in oblivion and totally unaware of what day it is so this current Government simply aren't held in check and can basically almost do as they please. Almost forgot the SNP, nah they probably are best forgotten!! Hey ho onwards and upwards as they say old chum. JK hasn't let on what car he is ordering, Maserati? Range Rover Vogue? X5 M3 Sport? It won't matter if it costs more than £40k as the road tax will be the same. My money is on the Vogue for John he is a Range Rover sort of guy!! I'm sure he'll tell me otherwise!!

April 22, 2016

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April 22, 2016

And his weekend play toy will no doubt be a Formula 1 Mercedes as per Lewis Hamilton!!! Just before I was demobbed in 1969, in Chester, I bought a 700 cc Honda S800 sports 2 seater car. It went like the proverbial off the shovel, made an enormous scream in top gear, foot flat, all down to its alloy lightweight 4 cylinder engine....Got the girls excited too, but enough of that, cos I then went on to Triumph TR group, 4A, 5,and 2 x 6,s (not all at once!!) At the time I had joined IBM, working on mainframes, for companies like Lloyds Bank, Royal Ins, Littlewoods, Shell etc, all with lots of Scouse females to use as totty in the cars.... In the days of girls in short skirts and long over the knee boots. Great fun.

April 22, 2016

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April 22, 2016

However, I doubt if I could stick the pace these days....

April 22, 2016

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April 22, 2016

Dave F, At the risk of "bursting the bubble", my current car is a Skoda Octavia in Elegance spec, and despite some turning their noses up at the marque (my daughter for one, initially !), it's been the best car I've ever owned ! I've had an Audi, Mercedes (for 11 yrs), VW Beetles (old model) 3 x BMW's including a fantastic 7 Series, 2 x Honda's, 2 x Mini's(old model), numerous Fords, and can honestly say this Skoda really is the best of the lot, equalling the 7 Series BeeEm for quality, even surpassing it for technology (Skoda's got more "toys" than Toys 'R' Us !!),  and reliability. It's coming up for 3 years old now and my next one ( ordering in June) will be another Skoda for definite, either another Octavia or possibly the Superb, which really does appeal too, although "Bank o' JKW" will decide if that's feasible or not ! John (JKW)

April 23, 2016

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April 23, 2016

You won't burst the bubble John, I have a GP friend who drives the same Skoda as you have, he swears by them and won't buy any other make or model. I have travelled in it with him often so I know what you mean. The disdain in which people formerly held Skoda is long gone, they build high quality, affordable cars with lots of things in them that cost extra on most other marques. Apropos toys I have an X5 M3 Sport (fully loaded) it has toys that I have never previously encountered. I reckon after owning it now for a year from new I know how to access and use 75% of them. It even has an alert system that automatically rings BMW control if the car has an accident that deploys 2 or more airbags, if I don't answer BMW within 3 minutes they automatically alert emergency services giving my location et al. But I must confess on a day to day basis I use very few of the gadgets available and the keyless access and ignition took some time getting used to. Is the Beemer VFM?  Probably not, it is supremely comfortable, it does 0-62 mph in under 7 seconds, it is built to cruise all day long BUT as you know the BM badge costs a premium. We bought it as a treat to ourselves and it will probably be the last expensive big car we buy, we will go for a more economical option next time. I fancy the new Jag SUV which has a great write up...................didn't I just say we would go for a more economical option next time?? I did but that Jag looks damn good to me!!

April 23, 2016

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April 23, 2016

Ok guys stop flogging a car that hand warmers fitted to their rear windows for pushing in cold Czec weather ,but on the car in question I had one 3 Rovers and a Hyundai ago and my brother in-law has run a Superb as a taxi in Cork for 5 years and on his second new one

April 23, 2016

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April 23, 2016

Dave, The X5 is a beautiful machine, although isn't the M sport suspension a bit hard ? I looked into getting one (used) before my last 3 Series but the expected high running costs put me off ! Regarding the "keyless access & ignition" gizmo, beware of it being cloned - a number have been nicked by scallies using kit bought off t'internet & zapping the driver's pocket as he leaves the car ! I expect you already knew this though, and I also believe BMW have offered owners a software solution to prevent the scumbags succeeding. The Jag F Pace you mentioned, is another beauty, especially if you favour SUV's, although as I prefer saloons myself, the new Mercedes E 220D "floats my boat", almost as much as the Skoda !! John (JKW)

April 24, 2016

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April 24, 2016

John, apropos the M3 Sport suspension being hard, we had the same fears at first because we had read that some people found it to be so. In truth it doesn't seem that way to us. We bought it on a whim, you know one of those seminal moments when you see something and you think to yourself, I'm just going to have that and for once not look at the cost. It stood in the BMW showroom full of extras, gleaming and pristine. We only went to window shop, had no intention really of buying anything in that price bracket.  It was priced  £18k above the £40k ceiling we had set ourselves for a new SUV. We have had SUVs for the past 12 years as we like the high driving position, the 4x4 facility et al.  Anyway, an hour of hard bargaining and we arrived at a price that was half of the difference of what they wanted and what we were prepared to pay and we bought it on the spot. Re the cloning, you are absolutely right and we are aware of it. Running costs aren't that bad really a 3 year service plan cost me £589, it was part of the new car deal from BMW. We only use the car for non town driving because of tight parking spaces et al so we are averaging 39 mpg which for a 3 litre 264 bhp car isn't bad. I have fallen in love with the Jag F Pace though and it has  brilliant reviews and write ups. I think I'll have to keep the BMW for another 2 years yet otherwise the loss in resale value will be silly. I also like the new Mercedes E Coupe SUV which is a bit pricey at £60k but is apparently superb. The Merc E220 you write of is brilliant also and retails at a sensible price. My next door neighbour, ex WO1 R. Signals, drives a new Merc E350 diesel and it is sublime albeit he claims he likes our X5 M3 better, I think he is converting to our passion for SUVs.

April 24, 2016

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April 24, 2016

Bob, Thanks for the info on the use of hand warmers, (aka gloves, yellow, drivers for use of),but I thought they were ONLY issued to drivers of softskin military 3 tonners and smaller B vehicles, since they were always trying to get bogged in the mud of Luneberg etc, just to get a decent long sleep, instead of trying to find our tanks and scout cars in the dark! The wimps... And there was me thinking these gloves were sometimes used in the NAAFI canteen, to put yellow sauce into them for unsuspecting B veh drivers... Lesson learnt, thanks!!!

April 24, 2016

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April 24, 2016

Dave, Re your "passion for SUV's", I hired a Chevrolet Blazer in Vancouver some years ago, to cross the Rockies to Banff via Jasper. Despite the "Yankee" hang ups many so-called journalistic experts have, I found it a brilliant SUV, (or "Higher-Upper" as Carole calls 'em !), and despite travelling in March which caused some hairy moments in the snowy mountains, the "Blazer" was a crackin' vehicle. It was only on the hand - over I realised the spare wheel was locked and I'd not been given the key to the very substantial padlock & chain which secured it ! We had travelled right across, & if we'd sustained a puncture in the Rockies, with no key, & no phone signal, & not a house or vehicle in sight for hundreds of miles, I reckon it would have been another "Scott of the Antarctic" scenario !! I mentioned having an Audi in an earlier "post" - it was the Audi 80 GLS in metallic green you had suggested I go for when we were in Sennelager in '79 - do you remember it ? I bought it for £3500 duty free, and sold it in the UK 14 years later for £1000 - not a bad rate of depreciation eh, about £178 per year !?! John (JKW)


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