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May 9, 2016

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May 9, 2016

 

Cloud Cuckoo Land

Well, it has happened, Cambo has shown just how much he is out of touch with the indiginous people of this once magnificent country of ours (but it will not be ours much longer). Dave the Rave has really lost the plot now, saying that we in UK would become easy pickings for others to take us into a war we do not want, or need. Who is he talking about when he says that we will be involved in war if we leave the EU??? Where is his proof for this statement?? and if anyone DID attack us, we would still be in NATO, outside of the EU's control, as are most other countries of the EU. This man is a loony, from start to finish. And where are these "guarantees" he has demanded from the EU, which if he did not get, we would be out IMMEDIATELY??? No discussions,no directives from the EU, no surrender??? The man should not even be allowed to run an icecream bike, never mind a Nation. The first thing a REAL leader of this country should do is stop the £360 million pounds we send to the EU, free/gratis each week. Just think of all the good we could do with this cash if we stopped the payments. Which then adds another bit .. if we stopped this payment NOW we could put our Armed Forces in charge of their own rebuilding, then we would never be threatened by others again. The only problem is, however, if Cam does get his icecream bike, we only have Corbyn to fall back on. OMG!!

Cameron is scared of his own shadow... what a leader to have right now(or ever), he is not worth the bit of ground he stands on when he takes his first step to car in Downing Street.

May 10, 2016

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May 10, 2016

Some people have forgotten his pledge of not very long ago along the lines of; "If the EU does not meet our demands for change then I will lead the country's exit". So; when he made that promise I must conclude that the country was not in the same danger if we left as we would be now.....if we left?? I personally think both sides of the argument have over/under estimated the likely outcome of what they propose. the "Remain" crowd are scaremongering on a scale that has become just plain silly and farcical. The "Brexit" lot are completely underplaying the consequences. I really believe we SHOULD now leave. BUT; I am under no illusions. The EU is the globally biggest trading bloc there is. It WILL cost us £billions to continue trading there. Trading with the EU post Brexit WILL mean us signing up to the continued right of ALL EU citizens to work and live here and THOSE two factors are simply being denied by the Brexit lot! Just as the nonsense from the REMAIN crowd would have us believe the EU rather than NATO is the key to the defence of Europe. The talk of an "EU Army" is such a lot of nonsense as well. Imagine 28 leaders trying to reach an immediate decision on deploying that force!! If we remain part of the EU and de facto part of that force in the event of hostilities erupting the outcome would be, France and Germany would bully the others into acquiescing to what they wanted to do and then the Brits would be deployed to do it!! I am personally fed up with all of it, the posturing, the lies and the damned lies. Johnson has changed his mind on the EU to further his own political ambitions let no one be fooled into thinking otherwise. The Tories are divided on the issue, Labour are led into the "Remain" camp by a leader who clearly thinks we should do the opposite to what he is actually advocating, the whole thing is a complete farce and a mess of epic proportions. SO; I am absolutely aware, as far as I can be, of the probable consequences of BREXIT but I am still of the opinion the EU has run its course and this country would survive admirably outside of it.

May 10, 2016

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May 10, 2016

Lies ,lies and more feckin lies , as posted the PM has a short memory once he was stating he was on a crusade to get our democracy back from Europe , then when he finally comes back from Brussels with an agreement that the commission could override as and when they wanted to ,so not worth the paper it was printed ( if it is) on. We ( the UK) and the yanks are still the only countries in NATO that are committing 2% of Gdp to defence ,and as we know that's not enough as defending ones country is expensive ,as they say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ,if anything we should be increasing our defence spending giving our armed forces the kit to defend us. We now have ex NATO bosses saying that the UK has to remain in the EU ,but listening to their argument it's a load of rubbish with examples of how they worked together in the past ,but in all cases they (EU) troops were led by the USA or the UK . Considering what the EU did over the Ukrane /Russia ,troops on the ground NO ,oh I know lets put a stop on trade ,and we all know what Putin did was to put troops into Syria and flash two fingers to the UN/USA/EU opinion . Yes folks the scare tactics from the remain lot is now becoming a fairy story and I am not a lemming who will blindly follow the present politicians over the edge ,they have to realize Britain/UK has been there ,done that ,and saved Europe more times than any other country and mostly on our OWN .

May 10, 2016

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May 10, 2016

To go back to 1939, our government leader of the time waved a bit of paper at the airport, after coming back from Germany, and said the infamous words "Peace in our time". The peace only lasted a couple of weeks! before the 'orrible little 'itler set his sights on GB. Does this remind you of anyone in power in this country today??? Let us now be brave (No, not stupid, ) and go our own way, out of this shambles called "The European Closed Shop". Now is not the time for us in UK to get the cobbly wobblies, let us take a deep breath and go forward with our natural inborn courage, by now leaving  ASAP.

May 12, 2016

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May 12, 2016

Does anyone really believe that the Europeans will ever give us a fair crack of the whip, especially 'Herr Merkel' who along with the majority of Germans have never forgiven us for beating them, and if 'Call me Dave' had any backbone at all he would stand up to 'MERKEL', by the way he's not a relative of Chamberlain is he? makes me ashamed to be a 'Brit' the mealy mouthed lying excuse for a man, I pity our country if it decides to stay in.

May 12, 2016

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May 12, 2016

The real problem now is if the electorate DOES vote to remain part of the EU the German led cabal will have us by the short and curlies. We will have burnt our boats, lost any real bargaining power we might, I mean might, have had and be held to ridicule. Cameron promised to lead a Brexit campaign if his demands were not met. Merkel was the prime mover in thwarting those demands, Cameron has now done a volte face and lost any shred of political bargaining power or indeed dignity he might once have had. If we stay in we will become the lap dogs of the Franco/German alliance, we will be recognised as the outsiders who weren't even strong enough to leave. It will be a case of "Don't like what we say, well lump it because you  had your chance to leave and you blew it". Thatcher had many detractors but it was HER political power base and willpower that meant we currently pay less (net) than France, Germany and Italy into the EU coffers per annum but that erstwhile good deal is now old hat and we needed a strong, determined and resolute PM of her standing to lead the country out of the now shambolic EU.  Instead we have Cameron and to make matters even worse there is no viable alternative to him, of any political persuasion, on the horizon.

May 13, 2016

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May 13, 2016

The people who have the greatest influence on migrants and their transporters is the United Nations, but there is a problem. UN are GREAT at telling us in UK what to do, but they do not have the determination to practice what they preach. THEY should be telling these migrants to stop their voyaging, and stay in their own countries, to correct their own internal problems in situ. They should also give us the right to refuse entry by the migrants to any country. They should stay in their own countries, and sort out THEIR problems, not come to Europe to drag us to their level of  low and downright illegal "civilisation". But as long as the carrot is dangled, these migrants will always come to the land of milk and honey. This country we love will be the worse with all these people getting into UK, we do NOT need or want them. The United Nations MUST stop this evil trade, and wherever possible, imprison the People smugglers for LIFE. But I see no prospect of that wish coming true.

May 15, 2016

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May 15, 2016

The one thing which neither the leave or stay sections has said is this.,.. "Whichever side of the argument wins the vote, we will work together to make the EU work for the benefit of the whole EU and not the leave or stay faction to which they belong." I will  never understand why that is not the main reason for the EU to stay or leave, whichever side wins. They are all so much involved in the arguments yeah and nay that they do not think of EVERYONE, but only their faction. And Boris is right, the ghost of Hitler is on the horizon, but one way to resolve the situation would be to ask Switzerland to take over the full control of the EU, and rename the state as "Klowd coocoo lande"..... Vote Boris, the real leader.....Out Out Out... Just like our crocketers ooops, cricketers,every ball a wicket... (ours, not t'other side!!!) But I fear that the Lemmings faction will win, no matter what it costs.... (Where is my parachute?? will be the call from the lemming types) OMG goodbye cruel world, as the song goes,,,,,

May 15, 2016

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May 15, 2016

Both sides are now so desperate to coerce the people of the UK to vote their way that they're coming out with ludicrous scenarios to scaremonger us into voting their way. How DC can stand, straight faced, & tell us how beneficial it will be to stay "IN" when his earlier stance was "Give us the reforms we want or I'll vote "OUT", and has now u-turned, despite NOT getting those reforms set in concrete we needed, is not only baffling, but downright two faced. I know we've come to expect politicians to be just that, but for the Prime Minister of our country to be so blatant shows him to be a weak, failed Leader. Put simply, I want us to get full control of our borders, and for our Government to be able to make laws for the benefit of this country, without interference or permission from Brussels. The ONLY way I can see that happening is to vote "OUT", & then to elect a real Leader, though I can't see one on the horizon yet. John (JKW)

May 16, 2016

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May 16, 2016

Apropos your quest for a "real leader" JK, I listened to Ruth Davison, the Scottish Tory Leader, being interviewed this am on TV, what a breath of fresh air, what a lot of sense she speaks and what a change from the usual drivel we hear from politicians. She could well become the natural successor to Maggie. An openly gay, ex TA soldier who has seemingly suffered enormous set backs in her life, she is a modest, highly intelligent woman in touch with reality and the needs of "normal" people. No wonder she has transformed the Tory party in her native Scotland. We could do with her here!!  Do I sound impressed? Well I am, I must confess!! As for Cameron, he is everything you say but the most damaging, the most scary, the most tragic issue of all is the complete lack of viable alternatives available at present, imagine a Labour Government led by Corbyn, McDonnel and Watson!!!!!!

May 16, 2016

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May 16, 2016

Interesting that, Dave - Wee Frankie has told me previously that she is the reason why the Tory's shoved Labour in Scotland even further down the pecking order. When you consider that , in Scotland, the Tory Party because of their feelings towards Maggie Thatcher (the Poll tax etc) were viewed as poison, she has achieved almost the impossible up there ! I will certainly make an effort to listen to any speeches she makes - if she's as impressive as you obviously think, she might well be our future PM ! John (JKW)

May 16, 2016

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May 16, 2016

This is a very positive and interesting lady, and I for one would hope that she would consider taking over from Cameron asap. The present bunch of "leaders" are total failures, but this lady talks sense, is new in action and ideas, but with the necessary responses to our present bunch of numpty leaders who are still in the 15th century. I for one would welcome her to Parliament by 3pm yesterday....she is a breath of common sense, honest beliefs, and the intention of putting the present failures out of the door, and I wish she was down here in Parliament NOW. Can you convince her Frankie????? We need this lady, and I should think the vast majority would feel the same way. The old school are now out of ideas or even the desire to change, they are in decline.

May 17, 2016

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May 17, 2016

Her nickname up here is 'Tank Girl' given by the media after a photo shoot on an Abbot Self-Propelled gun (typical civvies anything with tracks is a tank) and linked to her TA background and her tenacity. No one could ever have imagined that the 'Toxic Tories' would ever beat Scottish Labour but they did or more correctly SHE did.  She will be a match for Wee Nicola in Holyrood. The latter had far too easy a run when she only had the totally ineffective Kezia Dugdale leading FMQs.  As to Ruth ever leading the UK Tory party then I am sure she is capable but would she be given the chance. She does not have the typical Tory Boy public school background and being Scottish might be a burden now given all the bad feeling the Independence referendum generated south of the border.  The other short term problem is she is not an MP her seat is as an MSP so she would have to fight a Westminster bi-election either in Scotland or south of the border and those who fear her in the Tory party might not be keen on her fighting for an English seat. If there is a BREXIT then we can only assume DC will have to go but BORIS will be in there like sh1t off a shovel so it might be a few years down the line before she gets a chance.  Meantime she can only enhance her reputation north of the border. I would be very happy to see her as FM up here but that is probably a step too far to expect the Tories to unseat the SNP and she probably knows that herself so her long term ambitions may well be at Westminster. Dave F has it right she is a well respected politician and they are few and far between.

May 17, 2016

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May 17, 2016

Thanks for all the information about Ruth, very impressive to say the least. Is she available for Prime Minister of UK by any chance??? As for Cameron, he has now been reported as having told porkies over and over on his threat to pull out of EU if he does not get his demands met. He has NEVER had any intention of pulling out, despite his much threatened intention to do so if he did not get the changes he demanded. I now consider him as a liar and a traitor to his country. I just hope that Boris, despite his appearance of being a bit "silly" in his behaviour, can take over from the present Tory crew of hangers on, and he is definitely on the side of we who wish to go it alone outside of the EU. I get the impression that the upper echelons of the Tory party are frightened of  Boris, since he is the only one who has so far not lied about his desires for our future security. And he is not one of those morons whe believe that the EU are the way forward. How can anyone trust non elected "rulers" who do not have to answer to anyone on the decisions these fools make. I would not believe them if they said that in our calendar, the days of the week starting with T stand for  either Tuesday or Thursday....If we had  a leader like Henry V or Lizzie I, we would not be in this mess we are lumbered with now. Heads by the score would have rolled....


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