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Demonisation of Diesel
December 28, 2017

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Demonisation of Diesel

December 28, 2017

A report I read today has highlighted the fact that the current "demonisation of diesel", caused by pressure groups & the Mayor of London, aided and abetted by the Tory Government, has spectacularly backfired. Why?  Because the intention was to turn people off diesels and get them to  "buy" into electric vehicles, but instead, due to high costs, a lack of infra structure and "range anxiety", plus ever changing battery technology causing residual values of used EV's to be poor, buyers have turned instead to high polluting (with Co2) PETROL SUV's.  The unintended consequence is that while people are moving away from diesel cars (sales have dropped dramatically), instead of buying lower emission vehicles they're buying back into petrol, leading to an unprecedented rise in Co2 emissions, the first rise in 14 years ! Ironically, whilst the demonization was created to meet EU targets for NOx, the Government must also meet Co2 targets, which these added  petrol sales are not helping us to meet ! This mess was caused initially by the Labour Government encouraging us to buy diesel, then by the Tory Government who demonised it - in other words, Government intervention targeted the wrong area, and not tackled the real problem, ie, diesel cars OVER 10 years old, public service vehicles, the haulage industry, trains, ships and even aircraft. The greatest irony in all of this is that the most likely solution in reducing both NOx and CO2 to meet European standards over the next few years is buy a new super low diesel emission car. I rest my case ! John (JKW)

December 29, 2017

Joined: May 12, 2014
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Demonisation of Diesel

December 29, 2017

Mea culpa. I did exactly that. Diesel used car prices have dropped by upto 14% according to some reports. Newer diesels are NOT the major culprits of air pollution as you rightly say John but people, myself included, got peed off with the constant ineptness of both Labour and Tory Governments regarding this issue. Buy diesel it’s more environmentally friendly, if you buy diesel we will penalise you and make your car worthless. What kind of leadership is that. Do people  really believe mainstream carmakers will be mass producing viable electric cars within the next 5 years, cars that have realistic ranges, cars at affordable prices with longer lasting batteries, batteries that have access to a national grid of charging points? I want my next car to be all electric but I am not  convinced the choice and the factors I have mentioned previously will be in place in 2-3 years time when I will be back in the market for a new car.

December 29, 2017

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Demonisation of Diesel

December 29, 2017

Yep done that traded my old diesel for a Benz motor,being Ireland the road tax for low emissions are roughly the same €200 .  But the difference in cost is Benz is about 7% higher and not as efficient,higher cost lower mpg ,and little quieter,then the same car with a Diesel engine is about €3k higher. Short and curlies comes to mind ,then I'd never go to London with my car .

December 29, 2017

Joined: May 12, 2014
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Demonisation of Diesel

December 29, 2017

The irony of it all is newer diesels emit 20% less CO2 than petrol engines as John says but I read today diesel car sales have decreased by 190k this year. Diesel cars make sense if you drive a lot of miles. The increased mpg figures pay for the purchase price difference, the more miles you drive the quicker the difference in purchase price erodes. I don’t drive that many miles. We have 2 petrol cars, one small economy car for town and runabout and the AMG Mercedes for longer journeys. Diesels aren’t good for lots of stop start short journeys as the DPF clogs up if the engine doesn’t get hot enough to burn the accumulated crap off. My BMW X5 M3 engine was very quiet, no diesel rattle, just as quiet as a petrol engine. It is a really good car. But I knew this diesel ditching  would start and would begin to affect the used car values, that was one of my main reasons for switching to petrol. The answer is probably as John suggests, PCP or lease, that way you have no risk about the volatility of the car market and you are fairly cushioned from the effects of Government ineptness.

December 29, 2017

Joined: May 5, 2014
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Demonisation of Diesel

December 29, 2017

"The answer is probably as John suggests, PCP or lease, that way you have no risk about the volatility of the car market and you are fairly cushioned from the effects of Government ineptness." -- Exactly what I'll be doing again when my current lese expires in 18 months time !      John (JKW)

December 29, 2017

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 695
Demonisation of Diesel

December 29, 2017

Oops - should have read "lease" !!    JKW


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