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June 13, 2016

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June 13, 2016

With the latest mad man shooting his fellow citizens in Florida this time , from the figures disclosed over a 100 shot enjoying a Saturday night out . Over the years we've had schools,military bases,movie houses now a night club , shock horror this time over 50 dead ,53 wounded in hospital ,some not going to make it home . I remember last year when a weapons coach got killed by his student of 9 years old with an Uzi machine pistol , can I ask what the F was a 9 year doing with a machine pistol ?? Yes they have it in their "Constitution" the right to bear arms from the time of 1776 and Revolution , great when your needing people to expel us nasty British but hey 21st century and all don't you think allowing children access to firearms is feckin stupid . Me I had to spend 3 months to get a permit for my .22 rifle ,talk about vetting ,safes,training etc oh and a solid reason to have such weapon. The National Rifle lot in the USA have a lot of pull and politicians in their pocket thro their lobbying power ,but come on they ( Americans) must relize by now that they need to get weapons off the streets ,yes criminals will always get their hands on them ,but look what happened with hand guns in the UK after that school shooting you have no chance of getting one legally . You will always get the nuts who've got a grudge against society and as long as they stay off the radar they'll get their ten minutes of fame BUT when a kid is out shopping in Walmart with his mum and then shoots his mum cos she's carrying a handgun in her bag  or a brother of 6 shoots his sister of 4 cos there's a gun in dads bedside cabinet unlocked eeeerrrrrmmmm . If this carries on with multiple shooting across the States who will need "Weapons of mass destruction " ????

June 13, 2016

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June 13, 2016

Heard today that nearly 1 million US citizens have died through gun use in the past 50 years, more than the sum total of all US lives lost through all wars and conflicts they have engaged in during the same period! What a statistic!, What a shameful, pitiful statistic! The NRA is so powerful and has such political pulling power that no president has ever felt able to radically change US gun laws albeit some, Obama included, have made half hearted attempts that resulted in minor changes. But still the mass murders continue unabated. Add in the volotile racial mix that comprises today's USA, the crass have/have not divide that flourishes and the results are what we read and hear of. I read that there are something like 3 weapons in public hands for every US citizen, there are about 350,000 US citizens! Gun ownership in America is so far advanced, so enshrined in its society that it would be impossible to reverse it without draconian laws prohibiting all gun ownership save for exceptional circumstances. Rather as we did post Hungerford just on a massively larger scale. I can't see it happening any time soon!

June 14, 2016

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June 14, 2016

True David we've seen what Prohabition was in the 1920's ,trying to get out of circulation the millions of weapons out on the streets would be nigh on impossible ,the adage you make your bed to lie on comes to mind .

June 15, 2016

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June 15, 2016

This is a problem of their own making, from the first days of their deciding that the laws of the emergent nation , of self defence by all citizens, should be retained in law forever. The thing they forgot was the major fact that all other countries in the west decided that only the Military should be allowed to bear arms in their own country, unless some terror group should infiltrate, where the terrorists should be captured and confined or killed after trial, and civilians should then return their weapons to the military. But the yanks are gung ho in all they do, a failing they should control. Weapons are by definition "for killing", and when the threat is over, arms are then locked away in central  government control. As Bob says, above, that would cause riots in the USA, so it will never happen. A punch up in town on a Saturday night for the boys is one thing, but shooting people just for the fun of it is not acceptable in civilized countries. The Australians seem to have it right, as do the New Zealanders, as far as weapons for civvies is concerned, a lesson for others.

June 17, 2016

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June 17, 2016

Now we have this young MP shot stabbed on the streets of the U.K. In broad daylight ,another nut ,they don't relize the damage guns can cause to people ,mindless

June 17, 2016

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June 17, 2016

The murder of this young woman is a tragedy and I am deeply sorry for her family's loss but I have heard so much nonsense resultant from it! People unfortunately do get killed, murdered by lowlife, psychopaths, terrorists et al. The fact she was a MP is neither here nor there the murder of anyone, no matter what their status in society, is a tragedy. People are talking about increased security for MPs, how do they think that will happen? The fact is no one is entirely safe in today's volotile world. Many people in many professions have become targets for the crazed killers who walk our streets and yesterday this unfortunate young mum who happened to be an MP paid a terrible price for following her profession. We will never eradicate the scum in society who choose to murder others because these people are PART of society, along with the rest of the good, the bad and the ugly. If someone really wants to kill someone and is determined to do so there is little anyone can realistically do to prevent planned or opportunistic murder. Like I said RIP but the same for all innocent people who are murdered for no reason other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

June 17, 2016

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June 17, 2016

An excellent "post" David, & one I agree with. Yes, a tragic state of affairs, but the coverage by the BBC, and by Sky News in particular, is way OTT in my opinion - it's been wall to wall, morning 'til sundown  coverage, interviewing ANYONE who remotely may have known the young MP - Sky don't half know how to drag a story out. No doubt some sleazebag (like the "Scum" newspaper) will unearth some  juicy gossip next week to prolong the "interest"and boost circulation figures - pathetic barstewards. To "protect" every MP from such an attack would require an armed bodyguard to each & every one of them, 24/7, which is obviously impractical and impossible to fund - anything less is meaningless, so why pretend to offer "increased protection" for MP's ? They must do what they preach to the rest of us, ie, be vigilant, don't give out personal info, and vary routes to/from destinations - after that, it's take your chance like the rest of us. Yes, a terrible tragedy unfolded yesterday, in broad daylight on the streets of England, but the "target" was of no more importance than any mother of 2 young kids, maybe mown down by a drunk/drug driver. The shock is the fact  she was shot, motive yet not known, and so soon after us all condemning the US gun laws !  Thankfully deranged morons like Tommy Mair (or terrorists) can't buy assault rifles etc over the counter here in the UK (but don't let the LibDums into power, 'cos that might change, along with liberalising Class A drugs !). Rest in Peace Jo Cox MP, your duty was interrupted so tragically & so early, here's hoping it was not in vain. John (JKW)        

June 18, 2016

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June 18, 2016

Well said David and John we were turned off the news channels thro the OTT coverage ,as we all know from our previous profession shit happens and will continue into the future . The nuts slip thro the cracks like it seams this guy did and the guy in Florida too , all you can now is be careful what where and when we go out of our front door ( if we have one) back to guns that outside the legally held are still so easy to acquire if you have the money and getting them into the UK a doodle considering the amount of illegal migrants here ???? The latest death a tragedy for the family and now we have to carry on with life

July 8, 2016

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July 8, 2016

To think this post was just 3 weeks ago in the Deep South of the States and this week we've had 2 other shootings blue on black ,now in Dallas we have the tables turned black on blue . Being a police officer in the USA seems doesn't sound like a good career move ,why ,reports of 11 ( eleven) shot ,5 are reported to have died of their wounds . Hey they don't get it ,if you allow access to weapons ,automatic assault rifles etc ,yeah just drop into Woolies and get us an AK47 and bag of potatoes and a Hershy bar. If it wasn't so serious where people are losing their lives due to nuts ( including the police) are allowed to own a gun through the " constitution " then go on sprees shooting up movie houses ,schools,abortion clinics oh and schools cos they've fell out or whatever. So now for the next couple of days we'll have Obama and other politicians police chiefs mayors and governors wringing their hands ,telling everyone it's safe ,the perpetrator/perpetrators are in custody or dead ,I realize that this has gone too far and the decision is in the hands of people who the NRA lobby to let it go as the American way of life ( death) . As they say " land of the free" well I'd sooner be in the land of gun controls!!!

July 8, 2016

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July 8, 2016

Here, here Bob, I fully agree. Morons the lot of them, and it is difficult to see the difference between gun happy cops and gun happy civilian owners of such weapons in the U S of A.... ( aka the unsafe states of America.) There MUST be someone who can sort it out, but only our Gods would know how. I condemn the gun happy members of USA, but after over 3 centuries of no real gun control, it is now set in concrete that they are allowed to bear arms, whatever !!!

July 8, 2016

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July 8, 2016

It is a disgrace, a disgrace that can almost never be rectified because the NRA power base allied to the American Constitution giving its citizens the right to bear arms has resulted in the entrenchment of gun ownership being  a way of life there now for many decades. Black citizens in the US easily account for the greatest number of Afro American deaths by guns, the police are a poor second. It IS a fact that white dominated police forces in the US have been guilty of appalling over reactions when dealing with black people they stop for minor misdemeanours. Part of the reason for that is the very culture that exists among so many black people in the US that means they are likely to be armed. No excuse for it but if you are faced with guns at every corner of every street as a police officer, if you have seen so many of your comrades killed by gangsters and drug dealers it is no wonder that a shoot first ask later culture evolves. I can see no resolution to the US dilemma of the gun law that prevails there. The NRA is all powerful and there is an innate culture within many parts of US society that proscribes the theory that they will keep their weapons as a means of self defence until all the criminals are disarmed. That's what my family who live there tell me and it is a merry go round that has no end in sight. The killings will continue, the outrage will get worse, the revenge killings will increase, what a sad, sad state of affairs to prevail in such a country, a country that struts the global stage as the protector of democracy but cannot even keep its citizens safe in their own homes.

July 8, 2016

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July 8, 2016

Just to update the numbers killed in the USA this year from firearms ,legal or illegal to date July 2016 ......6 thousand yes six thousand,all killed by legally or illegally. The numbers are mind blowing,how did I get this info ,well there was a radio talk show and they had an Irish guy who lives/works in New York . As he was saying we only get the mass shootings reported on the main media,the single shooting etc are common place . Shite I've booked 2 weeks in Vegas in October to see Celine/Lionel Richie ,I wonder were I can get a flak jacket

July 8, 2016

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July 8, 2016

Statistics are a bloody reminder of the disgrace that is America's legacy on the right to bear arms. More people have been murdered by legally held guns in the USA than the sum total of all deaths from all wars they fought in! What kind of lunacy prevails to allow such statisitics to arise?.

July 22, 2016

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July 22, 2016

Just had to update this post on the (miss) use of guns in the good old US of A . In today's Irish Mail is a picture of a black guy lying on the road next to a guy sitting playing with a toy truck ,oh forgot the black guy has both his hands in the air both empty . So what's this to do with guns ,it seems that the black guy is a therapist and he's there to look after a patient with mental disabilities who'd walked out of the specialist home . The police were called out because of the false claim that the patient had a gun and was threatening to kill himself ,ok so far ,good . This is now were logic common sense goes out the window ,so the police caution the black guy who goes into a lying position hands in the air ,he tells the police of his job ( all on video by the way ) and he's there to help the patient . Next thing someone starts to shoot at the therapist ( I'm fed up at calling him a black guy ) who is still lying in the road ,not once but 3 times hitting him in the leg ( just imagine if he was moving he'd have got the full magazine ) . Then ( all on camera) it 20 minutes to cuff the wounded therapist and get him medical help , the police officer has been put on administration leave till the incident has been investigated ( most proberly sent to a pistol range to improve his shooting ) . If it wasn't so tragic you'd have to laugh ,the therapist is no threat to anyone so why try and kill him ???????????? Only in America .

July 22, 2016

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July 22, 2016

I also watched the footage of a young black man with obvious mental health problems, completely bewildered by the hostile police, sitting in the middle of the road beside a clearly petrified, prone older black man arms outstretched in the air begging for understanding. A lesser risk to the surrounding armed police cannot be imagined! The excesses of some of the US police is partly due to the unrestrained and rampant gun culture, partly to do with the high level of gang warfare and black criminality and partly due to prejudices. Having listened to Donald Trump last evening in Cleveland, I can only see matters getting worse if he becomes their next President albeit on second thoughts if Trump becomes president of the USA none of ghix will likely matter, we will all bad dmbroiled in one massive war!!

July 22, 2016

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July 22, 2016

Hi guys coming upto midnight on the 22nd of July watching the news coming in from Munich of another attack this time with a gun ,only just getting over the report of an attack on the train again in Germany ,lucky no body died on the train . Munich the body count is 9 possibly the last body found is the gunman , here's a question that is knocking around the back of my thoughts is after these latest attacks in Europe France and Germany will the leaders Hollande or Merkal keep their jobs and if this another migrant will the idea of free travel or open borders in the EU be dead . I remember the queue of young men coming into Germany/Greece fleeing the war in Syria ,have/has the EU open borders policy shot itself in the foot ?????????? There is another thought that this is the anniversary  of the Norwegian massacre 5 years ago today done by a right wing nut could be a copy cat ????? Only time will tell


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