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April 27, 2016

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Hillsborough

April 27, 2016

So; after 26 years of lies the truth emerges, seemingly. 26 years of families fighting for justice, 26 years of being treated with disdain, 26 years of cover ups and concealment. 26 years of grieving and feeling noone is listening. I must confess, and I do so with a heavy heart, that in the early days, post  tragedy, I believed the media hype, the police and other emergency services lies, I fell hook line and sinker for the whole twisted story. On reflection I think I did so because of my preconceived ideas about football fans generally and the many images I had previously seen of rampaging fans. As I have previously documented on this site my sole experience of attending a football match ended in mass fighting, baton charges by mounted police, being pushed 30 feet down the terraces almost into the fence.....that sort of thing. I know better now, I know that sweeping generalizations are usually inherently wrong. Anyway, listening to the West Yorkshire Chief Constable admitting his force made catastrophic errors and judgements, hearing David Duckville(sp?), the Chief Supt in command of the match, admitting he lied, listening to the Head of the Ambulance Services ditto I can only now realize fully what a terrible, terrible injustice the memories of those 96 people who tragically died, and their families, have endured for so long. What really grips me is my own shallowness in those early  years when I thought that those campaigning should just let it go, let it go and accept the fans were to blame for pushing forward. In those days I still  had enormous respect for the integrity of the police and I never really believed the police and other blue light services would actually mount such a comprehensive set of lies and cover ups. What kind of fool am I? Rhetorical question! I expect the inquiry's findings and the confessions of those erstwhile involved in the post tragedy cover up will culminate in criminal and/or civil proceedings. I sincerely hope the families are treated as they deserve to be treated and the final chapter of this horrible and tragic misfortune is brought to a speedy conclusion.

April 27, 2016

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April 27, 2016

One of my pals in Liverpool, where I lived, lost his brother in that disaster, and none of us ever got over it. I could never understand why the powers that be did not realise that this was a Cup match, with huge numbers of fans from both LFC and Nottingham Forest, all wanting to get into the ground, and the authorities, either local or FA heads should have seen that with the crowds gathering, the gates should have been opened long before the opening times for a normal match, due to numbers. If the authorities had thought, they should have realised and seen on the cameras that the growing crowds were getting so big that the gates should have been opened much, much earlier than they actually were. This disaster could, and should have been averted. I went to a quarter final match LFC versus Leicester City at Leicester, when the crowds were huge too. I remember that the rider of a Police horse was making the horse push fans towards the outside wall, to keep them (me included), from pushing to get nearer the turnstiles. So much so that his mountain of a horse actually clamped my shoulder in its mouth, and picked me up then slammed its body against me, into the wall. So these things could have happened in other cities in other games, and the authorities did nothing about it. That mounted copper was actually laughing all the time he was using his horse to force the crowds to get squeezed against the wall of the ground. We were lucky, unlike the innocents at Sheffield. The FA should have learnt a lesson at Sheffield, about timings and crowd control, but it has taken until now for the FA and others to react properly, and ease the pressure by opening the gates MUCH earlier. They never learn, or refuse to. Perhaps now, things will change, but it will not bring back those innocent fans of Liverpool FC who suffered and died that dreadful day. The angels and saviours of that day were all the other fans, from both teams, and the First Aid groups who all did their best to save these people. THEY did their job professionally and without thought for their own safety, and ALL LFC and other fans will be forever grateful for their assistance. YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE"

April 27, 2016

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April 27, 2016

David, Things can only improve now the truth is out, and one inspiring event happened in Liverpool a couple of weeks ago, when the Borrussia Dortmund team  and their many fans played LFC in the Cup match. Their fans were tremendous, and joined in the silence and singing of the LFC anthem You'll Never Walk Alone with the utmost respect. So much so that the female commentator from Germany burst into tears during the singing of the LFC anthem, she was so moved by the whole event. Now THAT is how football should be played and enjoyed. I will forever remember this lady and the Dortmund team, they were so full of respect for the tragedy of Hillsborough being remembered that night, and the two teams efforts that night will stay long in my memory.

April 27, 2016

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Hillsborough

April 27, 2016

I remember watching the prelims to the match ,then the BBC started reporting the happening live and the comments that people were dying in front of me, and the only people reacting were the St Johns Ambulance ,the cops didn't open the front pen gates to allow people onto the field .....I think those images will be with me till the day I pass. Now we have the cover up that was a pack of lies ,reporting in Maggies favourite rag that fans were robbing the dead/dying was the most hurtful of all ,even now 27 years or so down the line I or members of my family will never read let alone buy that rag, I'm at Liverpool airport were scouser are off to Spain for the Pools next match , proudly showing their colours expecting to win ......got to go Ryanair are loading .

April 27, 2016

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Hillsborough

April 27, 2016

Having watched the scenes on TV in both Warrington (outside the Court) and Liverpool last night, I unashamedly shed more than a tear or two, I felt it all so emotional yet so very glad for all those affected by the tragedy, that the verdict at long last they'd sought, was given. Later on I read online the Liverpool Echo's reporting of the jury's verdict, followed by some tremendous tributes, from a great many people, dedicated to the strength of the bereaved families, their courage, determination and utter resolve to ensure the truth would prevail. Everton FC's tribute brought more tears, their words so sincere & showing, despite the great rivalry between the Clubs, the togetherness of the City of Liverpool & it's people. I also listened to every word today spoken in the Commons by first, Teresa May (Home Sec), and then Andy Burnham. All party politics aside, both spoke from the heart, full of admiration for the dedication of families & supporters of the Hillsborough Action group, but also, in equal sincerity, scathing attacks on the South Yorkshire Police and Ambulance Service, not only for their absolute dereliction of duty, but for the lies & cover ups to blame the LFC fans in order to absolve themselves from blame. The "Scum" daily rag were "fed" the lies about the fans behaviour by the South Yorkshire Police and should never have published such appalling filth, but that aside, the "Scum" also chose to print the shocking photographs of fans being crushed against the railings by their own choice, all in a totally misguided attempt to boost sales. It has backfired in spectacular fashion - it's believed they've lost 250,000 sales every day since then - I for one, would never touch it. It's taken 27 long years ; the truth is out, but full justice will not be served until those truly responsible,not only  for the tragedy of Hillsborough, but also for the gutless lies & cover ups that followed. Mistakes can & do happen in all walks of life, and people can die because of such mistakes, but to lie, cheat, perjure themselves, alter evidence, encourage the media to back up their lies and smear innocent people with disgusting slander  makes it even harder to accept. To all those who fought so hard to get the truth, I salute you. John (JKW)

April 28, 2016

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April 28, 2016

Firstly; my apologies for writing West Yorkshire Police in my opening post I meant of course South Yorkshire Police. Anyway; to continue this subject. It is a well known fact that when mistakes are made, no matter how grave those mistakes are,  the ONLY saving factor is a full and honest admission of the error and a genuine and sincere statement of contrition. No rhetoric, no spouting about mitigating factors, no tempered apologies just humble and sincere contrition and an open admission of acceptance of fault. So; what did South Yorkshire Police do? Well, in my opinion, in the early aftermath of the tragedy they lied, they fed the media lies, they acted corruptly, they blamed the dead and dying, they protected themselves at the expense of those their actions helped to kill. A greater dereliction of duty is unimaginable. Then; they perpetuated the lies and deceit for almost 3 decades, long after it was blatantly clear that the fans were not to blame. Successive leaders of that force refused to acknowledge the truth or even attempt to assuage the concerns of the relatives that their kin had not only been killed by police ineptitude but the memories of their loved ones had been tainted by police lies. THEN; after almost 25 years an inquiry is convened.For a further 2 agonisingly long years South Yorkshire Police feed that Inquiry with a series of excuses, "it wasn't all our fault, there were drunk fans partly to blame" lies, they unnecessarily prolonged the inquiry and still did their utmost to escape justice being served. After the verdict, still no humble contrition, still no WE were totally to blame, WE tried to cover it up, WE  accept full responsibility and WE will ensure those who were involved in any way in the catastrophic mismanagement of that event AND the post tragedy cover up are be brought to justice. Nothing like that just a weak apology and more excuses. Yesterday in Parliament it was suggested that South Yorkshire Police will forever be synonymous with and tainted by Hillsborough and should be merged to do away once and for all with the disgrace that is attached to their Force. I find myself in agreement with that suggestion but most of all I want to see some proper post Inquiry action. I want to see the relatives of the 96 innocent dead fans be given closure. That closure will only happen once ALL police and other officials who were involved in the tragedy and its"causation cover up" are brought to book and face justice. The innocent dead fans and their families deserve nothing less.

April 28, 2016

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April 28, 2016

The fight for justice will still go on, until those who lied, those who forced others to lie, and those who said nothing which would have exhonorated the LFC fans that day, must face the justice and punishment they so richly deserve. I will not, of course, hold my breath. The date, and the lies, will be forever in the minds of those families who suffered such heartbreak, and can never be erased.The families have set a wonderful example on how to handle the lies, deceptions and total dishonesty emanating from Hillsborough. We WILL remember them... I just hope that justice will, in the end, prevail, for all those who have lost their loved ones. May this type of horror never occur again, anywhere.

April 28, 2016

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April 28, 2016

If you non "Reds" supporters ever get to visit Anfield stadium there is a simple marble memorial on the Anfield Rd end at the rear of the stadium ,it has an eternal flame and the list of the victims of Hillsborough. It's simple and moving record of the fans who passed that day in April 1989 who started that day going to a football match like millions of people who go Saturday most weeks before and since but never went home ,shame on the police

April 30, 2016

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April 30, 2016

The families of the 96 killed at Hillsborough, are to be commended in their persistence over 27 years for the truth to come out by hook or by CROOK, I try not to dwell on those horrific scenes as shown on the television, I still find it upsetting to me, god only knows how those relatives have managed to deal with this tragedy. It should not be forgotten that the West Midlands Police were also complicit in this cover up, this shows why it is wrong for the police to investigate any police wrongdoings regardless of there being one force investigating another, the closure of ranks was inevitable, and those of us that are on this site know exactly what I mean. I think that the police are a necessary evil in that we the population are incapable of staying within the rules of society. I would also like  to see an in depth investigation into the same police force mentioned above to do with the happenings in the miners strike at Orgreave colliery also in Sheffield, both of these occurrences were caught on television, in both of them more so at Hillsborough, facts in police notebooks were altered to fit the lies that were spread in the stories given to the media, with some intimidation upon the junior ranks going on. I should also like to know what is so secret in the so called flying pickets trial and false imprisonment, of Ricky Tomlinson and about 11 other men, some of whom have since died after release and  awaiting justice, every time the facts were supposed to be released, the government at ten, and twenty, years add another ten, it smacks of another cover up, in this one they are hoping that the pickets will die off  before they have to release this information, this is another Maggie Thatcher cock up along with Bernard Ingram, masters of misinformation. .

April 30, 2016

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April 30, 2016

I also forgot to mention a lady commentator at the St Georges Hall interviewing some guy, who said that they the establishment had not only picked on the wrong people, they had also picked on the wrong city.

May 1, 2016

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May 1, 2016

Well said Bob

May 2, 2016

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May 2, 2016

I was there, my son & I were in the West Stand, John was in the Navy and had come home on leave,we were looking forward to the day out, we had supported the reds since 1965, I was a season ticket holder in the main stand, my memory of what happend is still Chrystal clear, the match kicked off and we started well, then I looked over to my right and realized that something was wrong, the match stopped, the next thing was a log line of police were marching out to stand in front of us, the Inspector stood behind telling them not to move, by this time it was mayhem on the pitch, we were screaming at the police to go and help our fans, they just stood there staring straight ahead, I said to my son, come on we are getting out of here, an Inspector tried to stop me, told him to get out of my way, I'm leaving, went out through a room, the fans were lying in rows with their coats over there faces, got outside and looked to my left and saw rows of ambulances lined up, got to our car and stopped at the first phone box to phone Margie, she was out of her mind said there were bodies all over the pitch and she didn't know if we were among them. sad sad day,I still have my Programme and the tickets, it does upset me when it's all brought back, we don't talk about it if we can, I just feel for the ones who lost family

May 5, 2016

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May 5, 2016

with reference to my post above on 30 April, talk about de ja  vue,  Orgreve colliery to be exact. yesterday on the news channels it was announced there was going to be a review of the happenings there during the miners strike, it was also be pressed for by the old warhorse Arthur Scargill , whatever you thought of the man ,you should remember all he said thatcher was doing with regard to the mines, and heavy industry came to be true. here endeth the lesson.

May 9, 2016

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Hillsborough

May 9, 2016

Watched the BBC 2 hour biopic of Hillsborough last evening, some of it was an eye opener, some of it was unknown to me and some of it made me very, very sad. The two decade post tragedy cover up wasn't really covered though and for many of us the agony that those families who lost loved ones had to endure after the deaths was almost as bad as the tragedy itself. What I still cannot figure out is how, with all the footage available (that was shown in this programme) the truth stayed hidden for so long and those responsible got away with their culpability for so long. Very sad!!

May 9, 2016

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May 9, 2016

David I think that with that catastrophe to what is the national game of the masses the people in power who were lied to by the police and saying it was drunken fans who coursed their deaths . You have to remember at the time a national news paper was running horror stories on Liverpool fans robbing the corpse of fellow fans and that was a part of "Murdoch" press which was Maggies backer . In that era of football hooligans it was easy to keep blaming the fans and just brush it under the carpet ,but as you say it took 2 decades for the real truth to out and be accepted by the powers that be , if you were a "Red" and had friends or family there you KNEW ,my nephew was lucky he had to work that dreadful day he being a season ticket holder at the time ,it still haunts him

May 9, 2016

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May 9, 2016

The people who ordered the cover up of this tragedy, and blamed the INNOCENT LFC supporters for the crush, and robbing the injured and dead, should now be under trial, and when convicted put away for the rest of their lives. We in Liverpool always knew that they had lied from the start. There was no immediate response to the crush and its consequent injuries and death. The cover up idiots should now look over their shoulder every second of every day for the good cops to arrest them and put them in the cells until their trials. They are the ones who lied and lied from the start. And THEY were the ones who should have declared immediate action to sort the problem out there and then. But they hid from the limelight.. These morons/cowards are the ones at fault, not the fans.


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