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June 24, 2016

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Is it Independence Day ????

June 24, 2016

I still can not see why it will take 2 years to resolve the exit process, since all we are doing is removing what we were doing in the EU. We are not altering anything else, so why can we not say goodbye, and go our merry way immediately? What is stopping us?? They do not want us anyway. Perhaps it is the threat to the reformed EU of them not being able to send all the Turkish migrant members to UK, since we are now out of the EU? Why are we held in check for 2 years by red tape, to allow the EU time to get as much from us as they can? You do not resign from a job, then are held back from leaving on the day and date of your resignation, so why do the EU need 2 more years to get us out of their hair? Let us be gone inmediatamente, not when EU get a huge amount of cash from us before they show us the way out. Or have they in EU suddenly realised that THEY need US more than WE need THEM???... hence the delay of departure. Idle bar stewards that they are. I hope this is my last on the EU.....(but not holding my breath...)

June 24, 2016

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Is it Independence Day ????

June 24, 2016

Tom I'm asumming that when one of the previouse treaties was signed in the past ( Lisbon,Nice etc) had hidden in the small print you had to wait 2years ,thus making the decision a long process ,as with all contracts nobody reads the small print except the lawyers ,I'm mean do you think of any of our previous Primeministers would bother with the small print ,no way .

June 24, 2016

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June 24, 2016

My post under "EU Predictions" (which I "won" by the way - where's my pressy ?) sort of explains about the 2 year bit. It's to give us time to negotiate trade agreements etc, both with the EU & the nations the EU previously didn't allow/want us to trade. No doubt we'll STILL have to pay the exorbitant contributions for the 2 years, but I'm just hoping our "new" Government can extricate us earlier than the 2 year cut off point. Interesting times ahead, but providing we don't panic, things will even out and then improve dramatically, so much so that that we'll all wish we'd left years ago. John (JKW)

June 24, 2016

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Is it Independence Day ????

June 24, 2016

I see Junkers whatever is telling the press we have start section 50 and go ,but here's one for the history books Irish tv is reporting that Holland is looking at having a referendum too,wether this is a load of tosh who knows as only RTE are the ones reporting this ,as John as posted interesting times ahead ,just keep our head down and get the ball rolling

June 25, 2016

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June 25, 2016

I see the media are putting the idea about that there might be a 2nd referendum to get the right result for the remain lot seeing they've spat their dummies out and have started an e-petition for it . Eeerrrrmmm can they do that , well Ireland did it for 2 of the treaties the EU wanted voted on . Looking at the Irish newspapers they're reporting a few of the nationalist parties in Europe are wanting to have the chance of a vote on the EU ,the leaders of the original 6 are meeting in Berlin to confer the next step . If the Tories or Labour decide to negate the referendum on their manifesto's for general election could possibly mean UKIP end up as the UK government then again not ,but the powers that be are getting nervous,they see that they have to get the best deal for the country or start looking for a new job . Scotland well Nicola has started the 2nd referendum speal on the voting in Scotland wanting to stay,we will see if that comes to fruition,politicians are such a pain,they want the votes but then do a 180 degree about turn on their word in power . Here's a question on the contributions the UK pays to the EU , do they stop now ????????? or will they still have their hands out expecteding the UK to pass over the cash

June 26, 2016

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June 26, 2016

Note to Nicola S ..... Engage brain before opening mouth. Please.

June 26, 2016

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June 26, 2016

There will be no second referendum! Scotland will leave the EU as a constituent part of the UK at the same time as the rest of us, it was a UK referendum not a Scottish one! A second independence vote will require the permission of Westminster. There are no ifs or buts on these two issues, lots of rhetoric and hyperbole but no ifs or buts. Facts is facts peeps!

June 27, 2016

Joined: July 15, 2014
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June 27, 2016

This response crosses over with this post and the Hadrian's Wall post. Wee Nicola has to be seen to be supporting the Scots majority who voted to REMAIN hence why she is talking about looking at all options for Scotland to have some ‘association’ with the EU. I am confident that she will not find a loophole that can allow Holyrood to block BREXIT but her lawyers will try if for no other reason than to say they have. As to coming to some agreement with the Eurocrats for an 'associate' membership (whatever that is) for Scotland I wouldn't rule anything out because the EU has history of changing the rules to suit their needs so that could be a door that could be opened. I have watched every programme she has appeared in since Friday morning and I would point out that the media have been quite cute with their headlines. Indy2 is the last thing Wee Nicola wants just now, despite the Sunday Post poll at the weekend that showed 59% support for independence, she knows she has at most only one chance to achieve independence, if she and the SNP lose again then it will be dead and buried in her lifetime at least, if not longer. She needs as much time as possible to push percentage support into the high 60s at least and that support needs to be sustained over a long period. EU membership is only one aspect of the independence question this time around and this current situation only makes her task harder IMO because the price of oil is showing no sign of improving in the foreseeable future and remember Salmond didn't secure Indy when the price of oil was high. Another big stumbling block in 2014 was the currency, that question is even more difficult now.  If she does succeed in making some 'arrangement' with the EU then you can bet your bottom dollar part of that will depend on her accepting the Euro. That will be a hard sell to many Scots voters. Then there is the border, in 2014 everyone accepted that it would be a soft border rather like the one in Ireland at present but if Scotland are in the EU and England and Wales are out then for England to secure it's control on immigration (unless they manage to stay in the single market and borders need to remain open) then surely that border will have to be hard. Wee Nicola will know that all these things mean she needs to be really confident she can win and if there is one big difference between her and Salmond it is that she is not a 'maverick' so she won't take a leap in the dark as he would. One thing I will give her credit for, she is the only party leader anywhere in the UK who is showing 'leadership' whilst many might not agree with what she is saying or her sentiments she is at least saying something. Cameron has cut and run, despite last week saying the UK weren't a nation of quitters, we now have a lame duck government until such time as he is replaced and this at a time of the worst crisis this country has faced since the Suez. So no Tory leadership being shown at present. When they do chose a leader the first thing he or she will have to do is call a general election to secure a mandate. The Labour party is in meltdown and if Corbyn does survive as leader then I predict there will be a splinter party formed, so as well as Indy2 we might see 'Gang of Four 2' meantime no effective Labour leadership being shown. The Lib Dems are a political party in name only with no credibility so no one would listen to their leader anyway. Farage isn't an MP so what he say's matters not. Unless that is in a coming election UKiP can steal seats from both the main parties, and make themselves a force in Westminster, heaven forbid. As to Brexit in general. It will be interesting to see who really rules the EU, is it the unelected Eurocrats like Junkers and other faceless mandarins or is it Merkel and Hollande and the other elected leaders of the nations in the EU. The Eurocrats seem to be determined to punish the UK to set an example to prevent other nations from leaving but I am pretty sure the elected European leaders know that hurting the UK economically will only hurt their own nations as well. Merkel cannot afford for her car industry to lose its exports to the UK so you would assume that in the end common sense will prevail and acceptable trade compromises will be agreed.  Access to the single market will be the key factor as mentioned earlier. This isn't some poor economic nation that has chosen to leave, this is one of the strongest economies in the EU and Merkel and Hollande will appreciate that. Interesting times ahead and a chance for Westminster to look closely at how it operates and step up to the plate and do what we elect them to do, govern our great nation. Will that happen? We have a saying north of the border "mibees aye, mibees naw"...........  

June 27, 2016

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June 27, 2016

Sorry guys that last post will be hard to read given all the paragraph breaks I put in seemed to have failed :(

June 27, 2016

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June 27, 2016

Well we are seeing a great bout of hysteria, disbelief, contradictions, heads rolling, and general disagreement.... Just another day at the office then!!!. The "Remain in EU" loons have threatened a second referendum, the Scots leader has threatened to create mayhem, whichever way she can, the Labour party are in total disarray, so there is no change there then!!! The Labour group are calling on Corbyn to resign, but he seems to have forgotten how to say YES when all about him are crying for his dismissal, he "no unnerstand" what the Labour Party are saying to him, so all is quiet(???) on the political front.... AND we have people complaining that FALSE referendum ballot papers have been reported, but not enough of them to change the verdict of we, the common voters. So, time for action. Removing false votes in any election is easy. All votes must be cast in INK, not pencil, problem 1 sorted. Ballot papers need a set of genuine fingerprints of the voter, problem 2 sorted, and anyone forging or changing another person's vote,  imprisonment for a crime against the state. Problem 3 sorted. Let our departure from the EU carry on, (better the world we know and understand) since the EU themselves contradict themselves every time they open their mouthes or write their complaints against UK leaving. The vote is done, it is legal, so it can not be changed, and so these moaners should accept that they have lost, and retire to their holes quietly. Besides, lots of people in the reorganised EU once we have left, will regret our departure, since we will be  free, whilst the EU, when we leave, still have UNELECTED "for life" leaders. That idea is mad, and I can think of nothing worse than these unelected loons remaining in power. They do not want the common people to have a say in the lifetime jolly these leaders have, and I see that several other countries, still in the EU, also want a vote on THEIR "IN/OUT" of the EU. Nuff said. Chapter 2 will no doubt follow!!


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