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Jeremy oooooops
May 7, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 7, 2017

Magic Bob, Magic!!!!!

May 16, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 16, 2017

The question is " how the feck are Jeremy going to pay for this manifesto " ,cloud cuckoo land is where he lives . This country has Brexit to deal with ,they the EU are threatening to demand 100 billion for departing and he wants another 55 billion on services,remembering that when taxes were very high the rich disappeared abroad. I just hope the General public relies he's a nut and don't vote Labour or well what can I say , well disastrous comes to mind .

May 16, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 16, 2017

Bob, in my opinion this is a straight forward question of least worst option. The Tories have failed to sort the NHS, run down the armed forces, failed to react to mass public dissent about foreign aid, failed to sort the country's public transport system and generally disappointed me. BUT; Labour are an even worst disaster, an economic nightmare in waiting, a fiscal fiasco, a party led by a man who would sell our security and national safety down the Swanee, a party unfit to govern. The tragic and treacherous  triumvirate of Comrades Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would lead us into penury, destroy our national security, ruin any Brexit deals we might be able to secure and generally stuff the country up. Corbyn's manifesto is pie in the sky. Under normal circumstances I might say let's not get too hot and bothered about his manifesto promises as  they are never adhered to. The dangerous thing about Corbyn is I actually believe he WOULD implement them, with all the resultant economic disasters they would bring with them. The Tories have not covered themselves in glory truth be told but their failures fade into insignificance when adjudged against the plans of  Corbyn and his cabal of far left loonies.

May 16, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 16, 2017

I'm very disappointed with each Party's election campaign, TM more head-nodding than policy making, Farron wanting to legalise cannabis & prostitution, and Comrade Corbyn & Co, at least spelling out the road on which they wish to drag the country DOWN, but all 3 main Party's lacking any real hope, with substance, for our future. As David said, it looks like voting for the least worst option, in this case Conservative, to at least give ourselves a fighting chance over Brexit.  However, if votes were cast purely on the performance of each Leader during this campaign, sad to say Labour would win, LibDums 2nd, & the Tories 3rd, only UKIP putting in an even worse, lack lustre performance. C'mon TM, you need to come out fighting with some policies to give us all hope, otherwise apathy will set in, leaving only the Loony Left to actually vote on 8th June. John (JKW)

May 16, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 16, 2017

John, it is to be hoped that the Tories are keeping their powder dry and all will be revealed when they unveil their manifesto, I am hoping they have a 'cunning plan' and that by leaving their manifesto till last it will resonate better with the electorate. I sense a closing of the gap twixt the two big parties, Corbyn's manifesto offers incentives to those who actually believe we should be borrowing  hundreds of £billions more, to those who believe taxing the better off to the hilt, stifling trade and industry, forcing companies to move their production to cheaper countries etc etc. We NEED a Tory fight back.

May 17, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 17, 2017

Fingers crossed then !! I just wish TM and her entourage would concentrate on their chosen way forward rather than persistent  mud slinging against the other two no-hopers - her campaign reminds me of Kinnock's method of yore, all slanging & no substance. C'mon Theresa, you're better than that. John (JKW)

May 17, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 17, 2017

The real danger could be complacency. If enough would be Tory voters decide it's a landslide anyway, as the media keeps suggesting, they might not bother to vote. TM needs a a substantial and decisive majority. Corbyn needs to be consigned to the political wilderness along with Abbot and McDonnell and the Lib/Dems need to eat dirt. THEN, we need a strong Tory Government and a viable opposition led by a rational Labour politician able to hold the new government to account.

May 18, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 18, 2017

"Rational Labour politician" ?  Hilary Benn or David Miliband the only possible candidates I could think of, both articulate & sensible enough to lead a credible Opposition in my opinion. I do believe TM's Manifesto today will have lost a large number of Tory  votes from the "silver brigade", many of whom will decide not to vote at all rather than give it to Labour / LibDums.  UKIP might even secure those votes in "protest" at the loss of the Triple Lock for pensions, the Winter Fuel Allowance (what DOES constitute a "wealthy pensioner" ?) and the continuation of the massive Overseas Aid Budget contribution. UKIP will never get "in" of course, but every vote for them is likely to slim down the Tory majority they so badly need for the Brexit  negotiations. I do believe the Tory Manifesto is better for the long term benefit of this country, but I normally vote for what I believe best for my family & I in the short term (ie, the following 5 years) - would Labour's plans bankrupt the country so quickly !?! I've 3 weeks to mull things over........... John (JKW)

May 18, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 18, 2017

You will recall I wrote some weeks ago I had read the Tories were planning to downgrade the 'triple lock' to a 'double lock'! The loss of the winter fuel payment is no hardship and should never have been given to all pensioners without any regard to their personal financial circumstances. Like child allowance, or whatever it is called these days, random benefits paid on a national basis without consideration of need or income are simply not sustainable. TM's assertion that the older generation have to take their fair share of the  tough times we are in financially speaking is all well and good but she seemingly forgets that many of us were higher rate tax payers for much of our working lives, many of us still are, most of us have never claimed any benefits, we help our children and grandchildren financially when needed, we don't abuse public services and we are loyal citizens. There has to come a time when we have paid our dues surely. If not there should be!!! I don't actually think many Tory supporters will cross the floor and give a protest vote to UKIP. Opinion polls (often wrong I know) indicate the reverse is happening. TM's electoral power base is the Brexit majority the country enjoys, all 'Brexiteers' of any political persuasion who are desperate for us to leave and leave with a reasonable deal or a clean break will likely vote Tory. I do believe Corbyn's 'bust and bust' manifesto will sound more attractive to some than TM's 'Sense and Sensibility' manifesto and many people vote as JKW describes in his post above. They vote for what they feel will be best for them and their families. Corbyn knows only a hugely radical manifesto, far removed from recent mainstream Labour thinking, would give him any chance at all to challenge the Tories and his manifesto certainly does that. Like I said 'bust and bust' but if you are a poorly paid parent, slogging your guts out to earn a halfway decent living, reading daily how the fat cats escape paying taxes, how billionaire conglomerates and companies pay less in corporation tax than the average earner in this country pays in income tax you might be sorely tempted to give him a go! It WOULD all go to ratshit if he got in but desperate times call for desperate measures is what some people might think. He won't  of course succeed but I just have this sad feeling that TM is becoming slightly complacent and her manifesto will be a disappointment to many of her erstwhile followers.  Me being one of them!!      

May 19, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 19, 2017

David - Our recent "posts" are strikingly similar in viewpoints, particularly over TM's rather disappointing campaign and possible loss of the support of the "silver brigade" - I disagree however, on your assertion that "the loss of the Winter Fuel Payment is no hardship". What it meant was that ALL pensioners need have no fear over keeping themselves warm during the winter, because no matter how much extra gas / electricity was needed to do so, that £200 payment would  cover the additional expense incurred. Although NO ONE from the Tory Party has yet decreed what "a wealthy pensioner" is, I suspect it will be classed as any pensioner not in receipt of benefits - if so, TM has scored a massive "own goal" amongst those erstwhile former loyal, hard working, tax paying supporters she should NOT be treating with apparent disdain as it appears she is, to my eyes at least. If "wealthy" is targeted at those pensioners EARNING (because their pensions WERE earned) £50k plus, then I accept they probably will not need that Allowance, but certainly those receiving a lot less would definitely find it a great support over the winter months. The loss of the Triple Lock too makes the Fuel Allowance proposal a "double whammy" - now, where have I heard that expression before !?! John (JKW)

May 19, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 19, 2017

I accept your point entirely that some pensioners rely on the winter fuel allowance (WFA)  John but the fact remains many don't need it. If the Tories have any sense they will use the national average wage as a starting point for benchmarking  to whom the allowance should be paid. That figure is currently £26700 or thereabouts. Bearing in mind that younger people earning that figure will have not only tax to pay, as older people do, but also NI, pension contributions, travel to work etc to deduct from that figure. Your suggestion of £50 K being a starting point below which the allowance would be paid  would mean  pensioners in receipt of a net £41 plus pa still receiving it, I simply can't see that happening. Pensioners receiving income at the equivalent level of the national average wage would still be better off than their younger counterparts if they received the WFA. I am certainly not contending that the silver brigade hasn't earned some rights to equality and financial support after a lifetime of hard work and support of the economy but there has long been a pressure on all parties to share the increasing financial burden across the generations and I am just being realistic, in my opinion. There ARE pensioners living in penury for whom the loss of the WFA means a brutal choice of 'eat or heat' and such people MUST continue to be supported. As for the rest of it, I refused to watch the farce of ITV's 'Leadership' debate. TM still isn't inspiring me, the press certainly seem more enamoured of her manifesto than the electorate, I am now beginning to think the gap is closing and she will win but not with the landslide she started out with. We live in interesting times.        

May 20, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 20, 2017

The latest revelation that Scotland will retain the winter fuel allowance funded by Whitehall is another kick in the teeth and I find it increasingly difficult to sustain any defence of the Tory budget. So, the SNP wants independence from a Union that gives its electorate free university fees, free home care regardless of the recipient's means, free prescriptions, continued winter fuel allowance and free NHS access to life prolonging cancer drugs, unavailable in England, all paid for by the very people they call tyrants!! Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are uncovered' as more than just IRA sympathisers, they were such great supporters of the terrorists that special branch had them both on their close surveillance radar. They feted and hosted known IRA murderers. Just what we need as an opposition leader and potential PM. I think the best antidote to all of this is to do the ostrich thing and just bury ones head in the proverbial sand. It just maddens me, all the inequity of it, the let's plunder the old folks again-they've had it too good for too long mentality. Let's pander to the SNP and buy some support from their voters by screwing the English old folk and giving it to the Scots, some of whom spend all their lives bad mouthing us. Grrrrrrr!  

May 20, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 20, 2017

It's the hypocrisy of it all that gets to me - it would appear that if  someone has based his/ her "career" on avoiding full employment, not contributed in any way towards saving / planning for their retirement , never bought their own home, bred like rabbits in order to maximise child benefit allowance, they, if old enough,will be entitled to the WFA without question. We didn't choose to grow old, but they chose their way of life,  and to now deny a fully paid up pensioner who has contributed fully to funding consecutive governments (whilst MP's continue to collect huge expenses, salaries and pensions ) who  are now arbitrarily deciding to stop the WFA to all less those mentioned at the start of this post ( if reports are correct), I do believe is sheer hypocrisy . After all, in the grand scheme of things, paying the WFA to all pensioners is a drop in the ocean in comparison to what we pay out in Foreign Aid.  To means test everyone will probably cost more than it'll save, hence my assertion it will be easier to deny the allowance to all except those on benefits, depriving many who are not wealthy of, at best, a much needed cash assist in winter, or maybe just a reward for working/ saving/ planning for their retirement after a lifetime's toil. As a nation, we CAN afford to maintain this payment , remember, it's only paid to those who apply for it - those who feel they genuinely don't need or want it, need not apply !  The alternative of course, apart from voting for Marxist/ IRA supporting Corbyn & co, is to move to Scotland where they'll still receive the WFA ! John ( JKW)  

May 21, 2017

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Jeremy oooooops

May 21, 2017

The more I read about the new Tory manifesto and understand it the more I believe you are correct John. Sadly! The new home care policies mirror the inequity of the WFA in almost all respects including it being free in Scotland.


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