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Jeremy The Party Splitter
July 31, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

July 31, 2016

The left wing hordes have been turning out in their thousands to support JC it seems an almost certainty that he will beat off the challenge of the unknown Owen guy. JC genuinely believes he is good for the Labour Party and he has an almost divine right to sit tight despite almost all of his MPs not supporting him. I predict a substantial win for him from the Labour Party membership then either a split of the whole party OR they will all just give in and crawl back to their seats and hope for the best. Either way, no opposition party for the next few years.

July 31, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

July 31, 2016

David, Whilst  agreeing with your prediction re the result ( JC v Owen, although might a tad closer if Owen Smith says all the right things even if he doesn't mean 'em ! ), I personally believe it'll take Labour (or the spin-off Party) at least 10 years, maybe even longer, to mount a credible Opposition. Even then, until a REAL leader emerges for them ( David Miliband ?), Labour will remain a spent force  with nothing but whinging rhetoric to offer. John (JKW)

July 31, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

July 31, 2016

The trouble is John; we need a good opposition, this country doesn't function well as a one party state or when one party is so powerful it can do as it pleases, look at the Blair years and the chaos that resulted from the Tories being obliterated for so long. David Miliband DOES have the experience, the gravitas, standing and popularity to become party leader but I can't see it happening, the left wing of the party, aided and abetted by the unions and the party membership would likely prevent it. Corbyn has  become the UK's own Donald Trump, he is the polar opposite of everything Trump represents but he is as looney, as unreckonable, as divisive and as dangerous as Trump would be if he ever got into power.      

August 1, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 1, 2016

All I'm going post on the self destruct button ,oh I mean Jeremy is another guy who took labour into the black hole of being un electable is Michael Foote . We had the 18 years of the left and unions dominating Labour , Blair crept out after Smith died with "New" Labour sort of middle of road party . John 10 years I think you are being optimistic ,if TM gets Brexit right  at least 3 terms before she goes and it'll be a new ball game then for labour,we might have a UKIP opposition as they seem to taking votes from Labour , now where's that crystal ball when you want one . One thing I do know as been posted previous our Parliament needs a coherent oposition to keep the government of the day in check or we could end up like Turkey , yuk

August 1, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 1, 2016

Labour and its present loons are now accompanied by the former tory leader, Cameron, who is spiting everone by dishing out gongs and jobs by the refuse collection lorryfuls today, he is an arrogant tory (??) knuckle headed idiot, spiting all of us who stopped his gallop into the EU gang, and he is making a mockery of the awards system. HM the Queen should now stop him in his tracks, he is being more spiteful than a nest full of angry wasps, just because he has left his recent post, and become the biggest Mr Nasty ever... NONE of his grovelling pals deserve these awards and payments, they should go to the ordinary, decent voters,  who voted tory in the last election, and NOT to his crony hangers on. I hope HM sends him to prison, with no chance of freedom till he reaches the age of 120. He is what most of us would call "a traitor to his Queen and country". He and Corbyn should now be placed in a secure mental hospital, with no chance of release till they reach the age of 120, as I stated above, and still alive. Cameron has done the dirty on the whole of UK, getting awards for all his lovey dovey upper crust friends who deserve NO rewards at all. They are just as guilty as Cameron in this charade. Cam really has shown his true colours now, not blue, but BLACK. Her Majesty must stop all this nonsense, she and her normal "men and women in the street" should demand the withdrawal of all these awards, none of the proposed recipients deserve them from what I see in this whole spiteful display from Cameron. What a wet lunatic moron he has now shown himself to be. Now who can we vote for?? Not red or blue, and the other rainbow colours are equally as bad. God help us, please....

August 1, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 1, 2016

Tom, HM is only a rubber stamper of the honours and awards except for those within her personal remit. The national Honours Committee vets the lists each year. Any outgoing PM can draw up an Exit Honours List for the committee's approval and submission to HM and providing the list and nominees remains within the legal parameters of the honours regulations they will invariably be approved. So, it looks like Cam's wife's hairdresser will receive her "well earned" gong, I would think a CBE at least!!

August 1, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 1, 2016

Tom what is worrying now is the cronyism of politicians , we have a labour leader kept for the moment in his position by the trade unions and loony left. We have a president in Turkey wanting to bring back the death penalty to erase the oposition , there is also an election in November in the USA were both candidates for the major parties are tainted . Yes TM is talking the talk on Brexit but has not instigated article 50 to get the ball rolling and then DC has his list for honours for the boys, and don't forget Nicola wanting her 2nd go at leaving. Interesting times ahead ,if you look over the field of UK politics and politicians  you tend to wonder what the outcome will be ,for example JC has gone past his sell by date ,in the months he's been leader we've had nothing new from him only the regurgitated left wing waffle of the last century which will not not work as proved in the past . This now a differant game with Brexit were we must now have modern ideas for the 21st century ,no use relying on the quotes of Chairman Mao, we must have coordinated plans to get the UK moving as one not just relying on taxing the rich or such tripe brought out for the masses . Plan to get our fishing industry up and running ,sort out the foul ups in the schools,health,defence. Control our borders to stop unecessary migrants taking our children's jobs,then deport the unwanted,make the decision on future transport ie new runways at major airports ,rail lines to the north ,also on fracking to get fuel costs down under British owned company's ,the list is endless and as yet NO POLITICIAN is addressing these problems which are affecting the people on the streets . None of these basic needs has been mouthed by JC  ,he's a good backbench MP not a uniter ,what he will do is break up the Labour Party into segments with no obvious leadership or direction .

August 1, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 1, 2016

Interesting stuff above, very relevant too (well,apart from Tom's "punishments" for DC & JC !). Corbyn is in Liverpool tonight, where mega thousands are expected to turn out & support him - the trouble is, in certain areas of the country (Liverpool & Stoke being 2 of them), you could stick a red rosette on a chimpanzee & they'd vote for it - talk about the blind leading the blind ! John (JKW)

August 1, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 1, 2016

From almost every branch of policies and plans, no government will do the BEST thing (Not the same as the EASY  thing) to get this country up and running as it could do, without someone shouting "foul" for one reason or another. We need a strong, viable government with the courage to face up to our REAL problems, and not the idiot politicians  who follow the ideals of the loony brigade, who are all "self first" motivated. As for the "Honours List", that should be the first thing to go, until we have a solid base of truth and conviction in our ideals. We have no say in who gets awards, and for what reason, so that is something to stop until the law is adapted in favour of the wishes of the real everyday people, and not the psycophants as at present, but that will never happen within the present setup. But, JKW, I only want the best for the normal people of this country, and not just for the filthy rich and self centred  "Upper Clarrss" as they call themselves. And NO, I am not wanting to kill them off, just get them into this century, and NOT the 16oo's where they still think they are the best thing since the dawn of time. Silly possums....or is it Lemmings??

August 2, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 2, 2016

David, I agree that nowadays it is not the monarch who says who gets which award anymore, rather, the opposite, the original system WAS intended to be the prerogative of the monarch of the day, and NOT the workers who carry out the King/Queen's wishes. This present system is an upside down system, we should go back to the original  method, of Monarch instructing who gets what, and NOT this present system full of "jobs, money and titles" for the present government leader's cronies and sycophants. Despots..... These hangers on deserve only to be sacked, at least, to set the correct system back in the rule book. We all did our jobs as required and ordered, with no argument whatsoever, and accepted that method without question. So should ALL citizens, full stop.

August 13, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 13, 2016

Corbyn is on course to win the party leader's election battle hands down, as I predicted in a previous post. But what will he actually win?? A party riven by warring factions, a party hijacked by a few hundred thousand far left idiots like himself, a party so divided it will likely implode. Corbyn is now appealing the Appeal Courts decision that the 130,000 new members who joined since January and paid to vote, are not to be allowed to do that in the leadership election. The NEC of the Labour Party maintains, as the executive body, it alone has the right to set the party rules and the law courts have no right to interfere. I must confess that I find it incredible that Corbyn took the matter to court in the first place and I totally agree with the NEC's stance, it was elected to enact the rules that govern the Labour Party not the law courts! But that aside the more I listen to Corbyn the more I realise just how inept and unintelligent he really is. He recently claimed that Labour was ahead of the Tories in the polls until his own MPs began their no confidence motion. All the polls actually suggest the Tories would win a landslide victory if they called a general election now. Corbyn could well enter the history books as the left wing nutcase who divided and ruined the very political party he claimed to love do much. For the sake of English politics I hope that proves not to be the case.

August 14, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 14, 2016

JC is labours "iceberg " ,as he's about to sink them into oblivion .

August 14, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 14, 2016

Bob, one problem there my friend, I suspect nobody in the labour party would know what "Oblivion" is, never mind WHERE  it is, so they would get out their dikshunree to try to find the answer. And get even more confused. Hey Ho, that is them in transit to somewhere... always looking, never finding.

August 14, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 14, 2016

I see the "Famous Five" have dropped their legal challenge against the decision to bar them & the other 130,000 disenfranchised members who wished to vote (for Corbyn ?) despite having become members too late to be included. They say they can't afford to take the case to the Supreme Court, who say it would cost about £1000 to do so. Considering they raised £93,572 to bring the case initially, I fail to believe it's all gone on the earlier High Court & Appeal Court hearings, & even if it has been spent, surely if they'd a mind they could raise another £1000 plus approx £8000 for legal fees to pursue their case to the end ? Maybe they've realised, like the rest of us, that Jeremy Corbyn is a lost cause, and doesn't deserve  their support any more. It's certainly played into the hands of Owen Smith who'll now have a better chance of showing us his Leftie ideas - at least he doesn't dress like a paraffin lamp !! John (JKW)

August 15, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 15, 2016

Truth be told Owen is just as left wing as Corbyn ,perhaps even more so, the difference is Owen has a functioning brain that aside his proposed policies are almost as crackpot as JC,s! I read today there is talk of David Miliband being offered the seat of Jo Smith who was so tragically murdered recently. The main parties have agreed not to contest the seat so it will be a labour shoo in. I can't obviously vouch for the veracity of that claim but Miliband's spokesman declined to comment so who knows! Miliband is probably the only person now who can save the party at the next election. If you think back to the recent past, pre JC , Labour had some big hitters on the front bench and quite a few waiting in the back benches. Nowadays there seems to be no one anyone knows or has heard of apart from Corbyn himself , his fat useless deputy Watson and McDonnel his crackpot shadow chancellor. It's strange that such a long standing, historically strong and powerful political party can deteriorate into such a mess so quickly through the efforts of a single person. Even stranger they allowed it to happen and seem to have no way of stopping it! Talk about sleepwalking into oblivion!!!

August 15, 2016

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Jeremy The Party Splitter

August 15, 2016

No ,no, going thro my old vhs tapes in the attic found one that fits the current Labourites by Disney ...."Lemmings " all following each other over the cliff to the hungry rocks below.


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