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February 16, 2016

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February 16, 2016

Now now David, you know without a doubt that EU drones can not only fly high in the sky, they can also don waterwings and dive to the deepest part of all the oceans in the world, deeper than the mighty depths the Yanks can go, AND they can fly to the sun and back in less time than it takes to make a cup of tea....Trouble is that if they told the truth, they do not know how to drive anything bigger than a Dinky toy in their kitchen. Cameron has been stitched up from 3 months before he decided to have a referendum..Some brilliant example of our highly educated leaders what?? The best thing we can do is retire to the local hostelry and drink ourselves to oblivion and beyond. Even then these EU loons will find some way of closing all breweries and hostelries in the world (apart from THEIR secret hovel...) Where can we find a hit man when we need one ??

February 16, 2016

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February 16, 2016

I, too, heard that statement that the EU Parliament would NOT vote on the latest UK reforms until AFTER the Referendum - I honestly thought I'd misheard it !! I then heard the bit that, even if (when) the reforms were accepted, "nothing is irreversible", meaning obviously,"we (the EU) can accept them, keep the UK in the "club", & after the Referendum, kick out the changes made". You really couldn't make up such utter tripe could you ? Not only that, DC's travelling throughout Europe in drumming up support is costing us a fortune - the support from the Labour Party (I'm loathe to call them the Opposition), which is a complete U turn by them, is surely Kinnock - led, in order for him to keep his MEP seat warm for his cronies to jump on the EU gravy train to keep the massive salaries & expenses intact. I'm more convinced than ever that "OUT" is the way forward for Great Britain. John (JKW)

February 17, 2016

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February 17, 2016

The EU is in turmoil, it is in its greatest danger since its inception yet still it cocks a snoop at the UK, still it treats  us with disdain like a cat playing with a ball of wool. How little must they REALLY want us to stay in the EU, how little must they think of us and our contribution to their decadent and ridiculously out of date treaty. Truth be told NONE of the promised, watered down reforms are likely to reach final fruition. NONE of them, because every member state of the EU will refuse to back ANY reform they think entails a disadvantage to their own particular country. Stop paying UK levels of benefits  to none UK citizens? Stop paying immigrants' child benefits for their children domiciled in other countries? Reduce any UK payable benefits to the levels immigrants would receive in their own countries? Each and every one of those reforms would impact adversely on the economies of the countries from whence those receiving the UK benefits come from. It is a FARCE. It is a pathetic hoax. we will be given NO concessions, none at all. The EU thinks we live in cloud cuckoo land, it despises us and really doesn't believe we will ever leave the union. The fact we IMPORT far more from the EU than we EXPORT, the fact that we have far bigger and better trade deals with China et al is irrelevant to the Brussels fat cats. I was always a supporter of our membership in the EU until the pathetic continuous and unendless edicts that emanated from Brussels finally wore me down. Edicts arrived at by the troughing Brussels fat cats, edicts that are interminably steering us towards a federalized Europe where our sovereignity will be at even greater risk than it currently is. A Europe controlled by Germany with us as bit players. History, as they say, often has a nasty way of repeating itself, Anti German? Me? Not a bit of it, just someone who understands the psyche of the modern day German politicos and Merkel's dream of leading a united  Europe subjugated to the great German economy!

February 20, 2016

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February 20, 2016

At last we know what to expect to over the next few months. Lots and lots of misinformation and lies by the ruling intelligencia. Everything points to the fact that they are protecting their position in the hierarchy of the European burocrasy. Their massive pay and perks. A lot of people will be too confused or too thick to realise they are being conned into a situation they do not understand. Germany will control Europe with the other countries who are only in it for their own ends. I have always been a keen Tory supporter, but not any more. I am now a true Ukip supporte!!! England for the English and not the jocks or the Krauts or the Frogs.

February 21, 2016

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February 21, 2016

Now the date and the amendments to our inclusion to EU membership have been published.As other posts have stated there are going to be lies/ and more lies ,scare tactics and more lies ,yes folks it's all going to be fun!!!.The truth of it all is that a country that gave the world "democracy " or "common law" or the jury system , or a health system ( however flawed) or UN-armed policing,now I could go on and on .The UK is the one of the largest economies in the world so if the Germans/French want to sell us (60 ish million) their cars washing machines etc etc they'll want to deal with us ,that means they have let us trade with them. One thing being an independent solo country we'll get  our fishing industry back no more Spanish (EU) factory ships taking OUR fish .Cameron is on the Marr show giving his version of EU membership,he's spouting scare tactics he hasn't read the history of this Country, the UK has been on its own before against bigger threats to our very existence than leaving a group of countries that the UK has saved from dictators so these Eurocrats who tell us What,When and How we and our families can live their life's from Brussels can go and ####Off ....do that mean I (who voted on Soltau 75) to stay in the common market will vote for the status quote to continue as is with ever closer integration to Europe...................NO

February 21, 2016

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February 21, 2016

In 1939, the then Prime Minister of Great Britain appeared with a bit of paper in his hand, waving it about in front of cameras and spectators, assuring the British people "Peace in our time" saying the threatened war in Europe would not happen after all!! Load of baloney. The WW2 did go ahead, in 1939...then Cameron appears on TV on Friday last waving another bit of paper saying "I have the deal". Shame really, but Cameron got the same sort of lies from the German dominated EU, just as much a bunch of lies as we got in 1939, last Friday. We should be masters of our National Identity, not the puppets of the German dominated EU. OUT OUT OUT, tomorrow would be acceptable thank you... I would rather be in our little country, free of all domination by the unelected heads of the EU. NONE of the unelected heads of the present EU setup would survive in a truly democratic society, but a totally free GB could easily. The EU heads are all self important and ignorant morons, without a doubt. I could rant on all day about our situation, but my typing finger is getting tired now...Forget about all the threats coming from the EU, we WILL survive, and prosper, whereas the EU is soon set to break itself into millions of pieces, each individual and non aligned with anyone or anything else... Perhaps 'er up North in Scotland will also have to become another disaster waiting to happen if she goes for the referendum to leave UK and go cap in hand to the Europhobes, insular and stupid "UKless" idiots. We will see, roll on the vote.....

February 23, 2016

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February 23, 2016

I could be swayed either way given the I am given the truth, but I am not stupid enough to think I will here any politician from either side speaking the truth. My main concern living north of our notional border is that an out vote could open the door to Wee Nicola to have another go at independence, scary prospect IMO never wanted it first time around and still don't want it now. So that is were my focus is I want to remain part of the UK so therefore I will have to wait in dread again of an outcome that could finally split the UK. I see a no win situation for some of us.

February 23, 2016

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February 23, 2016

I agree Frankie, the one thing I ponder over is this, will the wee lassie get what she wants with the possible referendum to come from her, or will she screw it up for everyone in Scotland? I can not see that the ruling group in Euroland will accept any of her requests? A case of the devil you know, and the devil you do not, for all of us in UK. Tom

February 25, 2016

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February 25, 2016

Tom, I have to be honest Wee Nicola is a breath of fresh air in comparison to Salmond. Yes she has strong opinions and she will stand up for Scotland against Westminster. She would certainly give DC a run for his money at PMQs, much better than Corbyn.  I don't see how I could ever support breaking up the Union but I have to give her her due she is better than your average politician. Ruth Davidson (Scottish Conservatives) is also a very accomplished party leader but the jury is still out in Kezia Dugdale leader of Scottish Labour. SNP will doubtless win up here in May but it would be great if Ruth Davidson secured the opposition party. A strong opposition is what Wee Nicola needs.

February 25, 2016

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February 25, 2016

Frankie, thanks for the info on Sturgeon and the others, I have a better understanding on Scottish parties and MPs    now. I think we in the south will be eager to see her in action in the EU if we down here vote to leave and Scotland stay in, when she gets to grips with the non elected EU leaders. Fireworks and better! She appears to me to be a real challenge for the EU,  she is a person who is not easily swayed, and can debate with the best of them...And win!!

February 25, 2016

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February 25, 2016

Frankie, Tom, there is NO doubt that Sturgeon is; a) far better than Salmond, b) a strong, determined politician who is good at fighting Scotland's corner and c) a formidable, erudite and capable politician overall. BUT; her intelligence wanes when the subject of independence arises because she singularly dismisses all counter arguments on the matter despite the  calamitous decline of oil prices and what that would have meant to the Scottish economy had independence been achieved. She has been quiet on the subject of late but even the most anti Union protagonists, the most ardent pro independence lot, the most fervent anti English minority (in Scotland) MUST see that had Scotland been granted independence they would most likely now be bankrupt!! Another Greece, another Ireland or Iceland, small countries who had such fragile economies that one big setback ruined them! I have a sneaky admiration for Sturgeon's power of speech, her determination and her passion, I believe she is probably one of the lesser hypocrites amongst today's politicos but she is sadly blinded by her quest to go down in history as the woman who set Scotland free from the Unionists' shackles. We now have the strange, slightly eerie concept of all major political parties of one mind apropos the EU, history tells us when that has happened previously the outcomes were not good, for anyone!!

February 26, 2016

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February 26, 2016

Agreed David!!


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