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NHS or HS2?
November 16, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 16, 2016

I do not understand why saving 30 minutes on a train journey from London to the north of England can take precedence over the lack of funds for the NHS. 52plus BILLIONS to save 30 minutes, compared to our hospitals being given that cash to save the NHS. The government are way off the desires of the poor and the sick, and MUST cancel the HS2 c***up and spend the cash on the improvements to the NHS, which is starved of the cash it needs to look after the growing number of UK ill desperately clinging to life, just so our upper crust and out of touch morons can travel faster, just to save 30 minutes. If they need the speed, they could use all the millions they are paid or can scrounge from the government all for a half hour saved, when THEY could afford to pay to FLY to the North or wherever, and not miss the cost, and are therefore putting the lives of millions of our citizens in danger simply because the cash goes to the filthy rich who "supposedy" run this country. A total missbalance in there somewhere no matter what the timesavers say. THEY need to be put in the place of the very sick and terminally ill, and see how THEY would feel at the state of the health service. "It's the same, the whole world over, ain't it all a bloody shame, its the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame" to quote a long used critisism of the status quo and no mistake. Note for TM : Get a grip and support the NHS FULLY, with the cash it needs, and SCRAP any idea of HS2. BUT that will not be on any agenda, more is the pity. These parasites are saving 30 minutes, compared to the risk of death, and perhaps leaving another person to die foe lack of cash. DISGUSTING!!!! Get the priorities sorted ASAP and cancel HS2. Besides, these 30 minute scroungers have the money and equipment to send discussions to and fro without leaving their bed, or office........ Shame on the whole lot of them ....

November 16, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 16, 2016

Tom, Agree wholeheartedly about where the funds for HS2 should go - business people are saying the shorter journey times will save millions, but can't see it myself. Still on the HS2 theme, last night on the TV they were showing where the new proposed route would go - right through a brand new housing estate where people only moved in very recently - if the proposals are accepted, those dwellings will now be demolished ! To add insult to injury, the builders were STILL advertising homes on the estate for sale under the "Help To Buy " scheme - sometimes I absolutely despair. You couldn't make up stories like this - "planners" ? I sh*t 'em. John (JKW)

November 16, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 16, 2016

HS2 is supposedly about helping the creation of the "Northern Powerhouse" an attempt to decentralise the concentration of trade and the economy fromLondon and the SE and bolster the northern cities and towns. It is supposed to create thousands of jobs, boost the economy, empower the northern cities et al, the shortened commuting time is reckoned to play a major part in all of this. Do I believe it? Not one iota! Do I find it evenly remotely credible? Absolutely not! Is it value for money? No! Could the money be better spent? Absolutely. I watched a TV report today about a road in Japan that opened up as a chasm, 30 metres across and 15 metres deep. The mayor apologised profusely that it took 7 days to repair and return to its former state. 7 days!!!! It takes us that long to reopen a road after a major traffic accident! HS2 is supposed to take 17 years to complete I read somewhere and will cost tens of £billions to construct. Japan would probably take as many months to complete such a task and do it for a quarter of the price. But for all that Tom and John are correct, this money is desperately needed elsewhere to bolster our failing NHS et al. My daughter died of pancreatic cancer,  a disease for which we have made no progress in over 30 years, a disease where we are on a par with eastern bloc countries rather than places like Germany, France or Italy. The NHS is closer to collapse than any minister is  prepared to admit. To waste  such huge sums of money on nefarious projects with at best doubtful positive outcomes, is a shameful indictment on our government, especially when people are dying for want of better healthcare.  

November 17, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 17, 2016

The way the railway is run,this new system won't happen in my lifetime , if you want to get from north to south vicky verky try Ryanair or Easy jet( and it most proberly cost half as much ) to the new run way at Heathrow ????

November 17, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 17, 2016

JKW.. re the brand new homes, who will repay the evicted  owners who had no choice to say " no to these HS trains"? COS THEY WILL NOT GET ANY COMPENSATION FROM ANYWHERE, so where will they live if the HS2 goes fully ahead??? No doubt the brain dead leaders we have in control (???) will not provide any cash to any of those evicted, and all for 30 minutes saved, at best. I can smell the ess aitch one tee these loons have created  in our capital city from my home in Chester, many many miles to the northwest. If any of us had suggested the scheme we would have been certified "insane" and cast into the Tower!!!!! For ever!!!!!! May the Lord save us from these loons......Anyone fancy an all out  derailment of their loonie ideas????? (Being a bit cheeky there, I think... HO HO HO!!!!!!!)

November 17, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 17, 2016

Tom, the people affected must, by law, be offered the market price for their properties and be compensated for any reasonable costs incurred as a result of being forced to move. People who refuse to accept the offers made become subject to a Compulsory Purchse Order (CPO) and can be forced to vacate under the same terms I have outlined. Under CPO legislation anyone forced to move must be put back into a financial situation that leaves them no worse off than they were before the CPO. Appeals can be made against CPOs to the High Court at no cost to the appellant. Such appeals almost always fail!!! Of course no account is taken of people's feelings. Whether they actually WANT to move, the emotional upheaval et al. It will cost tens of £millions, if not hundreds of £millions to relocate people and compensate them.  

November 17, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 17, 2016

I hang my head and stand corrected David, but in an interview up here on TV earlier in this situation,  speakers claimed that refusal to move or accept the offer would render the offer of compensation not payable, so the leaders in London must have changed the wording. I hang my head ready for the big axe.... OUCH!!!!

November 17, 2016

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NHS or HS2?

November 17, 2016

Tom, no need to hang your head at all, the trouble is so much tripe is reported nowadays, many reporters fail to check legislation before they make statements and there seems to be a dearth of fact checking and unbiased media reporting.Of course none of that detracts from the undeniable fact that huge swathes of countryside and urban areas will be flattened at simply vast costs to the treasury. HS2 might be a viable idea if we had the Japanese technology and work ethos, as it is it will simply consume humongous sums of money, it will inevitably cost £hundreds of millions more than budgeted for and will achieve only a fraction of the promised benefits.


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