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June 21, 2016

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June 21, 2016

Best guess is 100% Leave, but realistically too close to call, but I hope it is for a LEAVE win, by how much, will be immaterial. And if STAY, how long before the EU demand our monarchy is dropped? I never have trusted the Kong-tinentals, they are just simple people full of non existent magnificence. At present, that is the only thing they can not change, the idiots. Roll on the revolution.... BUT, why would it take 2 years for us to detach entirely from the EU, when their leaders are unelected???  They are just self important hangers on. We should leave now..., this instant, and tell them bye bye, we do not recognise people who have never been voted for.

June 21, 2016

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June 21, 2016

Tom your such a pessimist , the problem I see with sympathy from the Joe Cox death has swung it in the remain . More the pity as that decision will come and bite the arse of all those who vote to stay,the problem I see from living outside of the U.K. is that current Tories government and the coalition previous took their eye off the migration/ imagration from outside the EU so the figures are getting out of control . 50 thousand a year is workable as the UK absorbed like numbers in the past ,but 300k plus is over the top ,and as they seam to have very large families there going to out breed our decendants ,thus losing our Britishness . Can you imagine in 10/15 years down the line our major cities will have ghetto's of East Europeens plus the current Asian , just glad that I won't be around to witness it , move over Enoch .

June 21, 2016

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June 21, 2016

Driving through Staffordshire,  & yesterday, through the heart of Cheshire (including George Osborne's constituency) I saw a great many "LEAVE" signs neatly displayed, and not one "IN" poster. This gives me great hopes for a "Leave" victory, but concede a lot depends on the mis-guided youth vote and the sympathy vote engendered by the demise of Jo Cox. I forecast a narrow 52% Leave vote , Remain 48%, meaning Happy Days ahead ! John (JKW)

June 21, 2016

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June 21, 2016

Hope your right John ,I'm a Daily Mail reader and at the moment the Irish are starting to write into the Mail letters section asking the question that if their biggest market goes and the mess the Euro has caused to Ireland will they get a chance at referendum like the UK . You may not know over the last 10 years or so the Irish have refused the Lisburn treaty and another which I can't remember . This meant they were then told by the Government to do it again until they agreed with the treaty ,now will Cameron do the same if the Leave get the points on the board ???????

June 22, 2016

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June 22, 2016

Well folks, the time is soon upon us... I watched/listened to the BBC1 Referendum Debate last night, and was appalled at the way the Remain people taking part in the on stage debate critisized the Leave campaigners every time it was the Leave members who were speaking. The Remain idiots were abusive, extremely rude, and inflexible in their stance. One lady (?)  on the remain panel, a Scot, was extremely rude to all on the Leave panel, loud, rude and almost aggressive in her speeches. One more reason for OUT, we do not need such people. In fact, all in the stay group, (2xF and 1xM) were loud, aggressive, and not listening to their adverseries. Most unappealing, but to be expected. And in the end, they were shell shocked by the much appreciated and welcome cheering and applause for the OUT team. Boris and his team were clear spoken, well informed, and much appreciated in their responses to their opposition's ranting hysteria, which was very loud, very aggressive. Roll on Thursday. Well done to Boris and his team, they were first rate. And they were always polite!!! Unlike the remainers, who were too loud. poorly led, and out of touch.

June 22, 2016

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June 22, 2016

Tom's post above reflects precisely why I have refused pointedly to watch any of the debates. It's all spin from both sides. Truth be told NONE of us (or them) KNOW what the outcome of a leave vote would mean, it could be the best thing ever, it could be the worst, it could be something in between. I will have to take Tom's word for the goings on in last evening's debate but I have heard Boris bad mouthing his old mate Cameron on several occasions just as I have heard Cameron and Osborne doing the same. Boris's claim that Brexit would mean an extra £100 million a day (week(?)) for the NHS is as ludicrous as the "we're all doomed if we leave" message from Camco. I have voted already by post. I voted to leave but I am under no misapprehensions that it is a step into the unknown, that there WILL be a price to pay and we will face a period of uncertainty. But for all that I still hope the vote goes the RIGHT way and that we then end up with a PM who has the grit and determination to lead us forward towards an independent  future with our pride and sovreignty intact once again. In my opinion that person is absolutely NOT Boris! That aside; we DON'T have to be at odds with the EU we just want to be masters of our own destinies, let's trade with them, be friends with them, support and work with them BUT on our terms not those of the unelected fat cats of Brussels.

June 23, 2016

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June 23, 2016

2nd in vote queue this morning, Daily Mail prominently held under left arm, front page on display,but only able to see that nobody else has a smile on their face. But coming out after making my vote, a couple of blokes said "we are with you Mate" so I am now 60/40 positive of the OUT side succeeding.....(Mainly cos we have a Labour council here) And the potholes are out in abundance now!!!

June 24, 2016

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June 24, 2016

So JKW was spot on, I was wrong but I still won, sanity and national pride prevailed, great day for the UK. It will be interesting to see how Scotland now reacts apropos Independence. Onwards and upwards, let's hope the transition isn't too harrowing!,

June 24, 2016

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June 24, 2016

We must now start the process of rebuilding out independent country back to our previous standing in the whole world, and not just being second or 99th member of the most controlled union since time began. Ms Merkel has been adamant that she and her cronies (all non elected, but selected in secret) would be in power for ever. All of us in UK must now ensure that we demand our terms, and to leave in a very short time, because I know that the EU idiots will try to keep talking and prevaricating to the point when we will all be cinders or six feet underground. I can not understand WHY we will be talking to the now alien EU beyond a few days, when we have stated our campaign, with us demanding the conditions  for leaving. Merkel and co will all keep up the chatter, but they will NOT agree to an agreeable and peaceful separation, but witter on for a century. Why, in all honesty, are WE not demanding a quick leave, within a few weeks, and NOT the 2 YEARS the UE have stipulated, For once we need a leader who will tell them that we WILL be leaving, in a few weeks, on OUR conditions, and NOT the EU procrastination they will stretch out for years??? It only took me a couple of days for me to leave the Army..... Listening to the BBC1 chatter right now ongoing,we have voted to leave, we should go NOW. Why must we wait for 2 years before we can leave, is that so we will be forced by Frau Merkel to accept millions of Turks coming into UK?. Even prisoners are allowed to join the real world when they finish their sentence, and NOT kept back for a further 2 years..... Leave NOW, not in 2 years. And which idiot agreed to this additional 2 year prison sentence? Out means out now, not in the future. The EU have treated us like sh one tee, AGAIN....

June 24, 2016

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June 24, 2016

The fun is going to start ,within the next few months/ or so there are going to elections thro out the EU ,now with one of the main paymasters is about to leave and the mess the eurozone is in their results are going to be interesting to say the least ,let's see the scaremongering fly then

June 24, 2016

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June 24, 2016

I wish my prediction for the Lotto numbers were as accurate as my  Referendum one ! The 2 Year extraction phase,  I believe, is only implemented once Article 50 is announced by HM Government, so it's not even started yet ! The 2 years is basically a deadline, but, like Article 50, very sketchy in detail, 'cos it's never been used yet ! It looks like the voting in both Scotland & Northern Ireland has played right into the hands of Gerry Adams / Martin McGuiness,  and Nicola Sturgeon. They can use it to further their own political aims, NI to "amalgamate" with the South, Scotland to have their own (2nd) Referendum to split from the UK. I don't believe for one moment the Northern Irish would vote for joining forces with the South, but it could certainly stir up the "troubles" again. Gerry A wants the border removed - I'd want it made into a proper border ,with EVERY crossing point controlled - after all, Eire IS a country on it's own and NOT part of the UK, by their own choice. Scotland on the other hand, by voting "Remain" emphatically, will almost certainly follow Sturgeon's bidding, using the EU as the lever to force independence for Scotland - this time they might succeed. If so, with the price of oil still falling (dropped 4.5 today, hopefully off-setting the fuel price increases forecast here due to the falling pound) they might live to regret going it alone. Mind you, Nicola Sturgeon is probably relying on an EU bail out, hence her wish to remain in the EU. With regards George Osborne, surely he must go the way of David Cameron and most probably, Jeremy Corbyn (he who makes Boris appear smart !!), and resign. The question now who will fill their boots ? The Tories MUST select a Government of BREXIT people, otherwise there'll be ongoing conflicts within. Obviously Boris & Michael Gove are candidates, although Nicky Morgan is "considering making a bid" - she is certainly NOT my choice ! Labour ? Total disarray , but do have some fairly strong & astute characters to select from, one of whom might just get them to form a decent & worthwhile Opposition, leaving Corbyn to continue his previous lifetimes work as a lurking Back Bench "leftie" ! Liberal Democrats - Who !?! An absolute waste of space & of no significance whatsoever IMO. I feel so relieved that we can get back control of our destiny, our borders, and our law-making. No longer can our political masters hide behind EU legislation "preventing us carrying out the wish of the people", but can all now be held to account. I do believe that the voters in England & Wales (plus the few "Leavers" in Scotland & NI) need congratulating on having the guts to stand up & vote for what they believe in - it's people power & democracy that has won the day, and I reckon it won't be long before other EU countries hold their own Referendum to leave the over blown, extravagant & dominating un-elected would-be superstate of Europe. John (JKW)  

June 25, 2016

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June 25, 2016

I have already conceded your correct prediction John, it seems the older generation swung the vote in our favour after all. What we desperately need now is a period of calm, some careful planning for a phased withdrawal and a message to the money markets that we are in full control of things. Cameron did the honourable thing, he simply could not have remained PM after this defeat, his luck ran out at last! The EU fat cats are already on the rampage pressurising us to declare Article 50 to begin the cessation of our membership and our withdrawal from the treaty. Cameron's plan for that process to begin in October once a new PM has been chosen seems eminently sensible to me and the ball is firmly in our court apropos how we implement the outcome of the referendum. Regarding the next PM, I have said many times that I don't rate BJ as a potential PM he simply hasn't got the presence, the gravitas or the standing to do that job, IMHO. He IS likeable, funny, intelligent and popular but so was Berlusconi!! Sadly, he will likely succeed DC as there is a dearth of other obvious candidates. I hope Gove stands and I would certainly vote for him given the chance. As for Corbyn, I cannot begin to imagine that anyone in the Labour Party hierarchy truly believes they can ever win an election with him at the helm. The trouble is we NEED a strong opposition party to balance life at Westminster. We live in interesting times!


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