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Roger Williams ACC
November 7, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 7, 2015

Roger , you were with 3DG in Detmold, and I was there from advance party to us coming to Chester in late 60's, so we must have met some time in that period. Great to hear from you! I hope you enjoyed the experience of working with us, it seemed a good posting, and good friendships too. As you say, it takes time to settle in and find we are all the same really, normally no xxxxxing clue what we had to do most of the time! I was in A Sqn, then Recce troop in HQ Sqn, then Catterick as a radio instructor, which was cut short by a broken leg, playing footy for the training regt at the time, 1st Tanks. Then back to 3DG in Chester, then Libya and Cyprus, then  back to Chester for demob in 1969. You should know a few names on here from those days with a bit of luck, so keep looking on here, you could hear from people you may remember from those days! Best regards, Tom

November 10, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 10, 2015

  Thanks Tom.  Can't say I remember the name but we must have met.  At least if you had a meal in the cookhouse.  After my peeling spuds period I went on to peeling a better type of spud in the Officers Mess!! Also we will have met in Libya as I was out on exercise a lot and while in camp worked in the Sgts Mess.  I will look through all the names carefully but its lovely to hear from you.  All the very best Views from the Cookhouse 3 Feb 1966.  My 2 years in Boys Service at Junior Tradesmans Regiment  Acc in Aldershot is almost at an end.  Am 17 1/2 today and starting ( mans pay ) at £7-3-6. ( Its double boys service pay) Am still not sure why I chose the Acc but think my Mother had a hand in it.  She pointed out some facts I hadn't really thought about,  like--plenty to eat--warm kitchen--and probably wont get shot!  All things that came to pass.   I never did tell her some of the things I got called in those early days! I well remember the day we learnt of our postings.  Very exciting---some going to Aden,  Borneo, Cyprus. Hong Kong and the like.  Others going to Padderborn, Sennelager, Munster and Detmold!  Still it beats Catterick, or even worse, a barracks down the road in Aldershot!!  Got to get a map out and find out where Detmold is.  And then there's the Regt am posted to:  3rd C arabiniers ( Prince of Wales Dragoon Guards)  I've never heard of them! Fri 11 Feb.  Gatwick to Gutersloh Airport and a truck to propel me to Lothian Barracks. Sat 12 Feb. In the kitchen already. Seems they only want me to peel spuds and Veg.  What about all that training I had making fancy cakes and the like! In those days the Regt kept Pigs, so all the leftover and waste food (swill) went by the dustbin load on the back of a trailer to keep them happy and fatten them up ( I told you the grub here ain't that bad )  There was someone who looked after them  ( the pig man ) The early days as I remember were a bit rough and my diary that I kept on and off tells me that I was regularly in front of Eddie Stubbs (the cook S/Major),  who would ask me if i wished to accept his punishment or go on OC s orders.  Naturally I accepted his punishment and so came another few days of duty cooks- much to the pleasure of those that would have been on!    Ocs orders generally meant RPs and an introduction to- I think- Sgt Duda in the guardroom.  I can remember helping to paint the grass green by the guardroom for a special visit. I became attached to C Sqn and enjoyed many an evening in the Sqn bar.  Truth is I didn't get off to a good start with the Sqn.  First day of first exercise and I'm in a waggon with a pile of Compo, (sausage/beans and brew kit.)  Cpl Singleton Acc is in another lorry miles away.  We stop and I'm told to get a brew and some scoff on.  Well-Ive only got the breakfast stuff, so set too getting the No1 burner going (I can barely remember how to light it) but help is at hand as a Tpr Thurling  (We called him Gok Thurling) came to my rescue.   Meanwhile I open up a pile of tins and pour the beans and sausage into a dixie.  Onto the burner stand and get the tea made.  Soon after some of the lads who are in a queue point out that there's a smell of burning! I stir the beans and make it worse.  I serve the burnt (black) beans and sausages and hard tak biscuits.  Its a bloody disaster, only the tea is okay and Gok made that!  Welcome to field cooking! Some highlights: Seing the Regt play football. Jones 191, Jones 693  and Riley what a team!    The Tall ships race. For details see Feather and Carbine Dec 1966.  Surfice to say it was brilliant.  How I got to be the cook---possibly an over exageration of my sailing past (never sailed before).   Either that or no other volunteers!  Grape picking.   A number of the Regt went to villages along the Moselle where we stayed with families and helped pick the grapes.  Hard work but compensated by evenings meeting with the village fraulines, cheap wine and snappes.  Another excellent scive.  Skiing at Sonthofen.  The Half Way House pub on the way into town. And of course the 9 months in Libya at RAF Eladem.  Especially the R&R in Cyprus. (Pergamos camp)  I can still smell the kebabs sold from carts pulled around the streets of Larnaka.  I was involved in boxing: inter company and for the Regt in Libya. There followed a few months at Chester where I met my to be  wife. Then 2 years at Herford before the amalgamation and Edinburgh with the RSDGs.  I left soon after onto my next posting. Some of the characters in the cookhouse.  W011 Eddie Stubbs who I always remember as firm and fair (I didnt think so then)  He had one of those great big Citroen cars that rose up when you turned the key. And Cpl Sid Swan.  Sid played cricket for the Regt, very good at sport and went onto become a Lt Col in the corps! My best man at my wedding was Sgt Terry Burkett who worked in the Officers Mess. And me.  I did okay and went on to do 27 years (10 as a W01) so something must have clicked along the way.  I look back on my early army days as some of the best, and I have many very fond memories of the The 3rdCarabiniers.      

November 10, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 10, 2015

Roger, thanks for your memories of Detmold,Pergamos and El Adem, and so many  guys names which you stirred from the back of my mind, and they all seemed to be as I, too, remember them! One thing which stands out from Detmold, and Lothian Barracks were the paintings by Clulow, in the cookhouse,he enjoyed painting warriors from olden days, but he said the one thing he could not paint was feet!!. Cast your mind back and you should recall that he never did give the warriors any feet, they were hidden by grass or rocks! Sunday trips up to see Hermann the German, then a few beers in town, or more! Then there was Fritz, who worked in the REME and tech stores area, and made a few marks doing our civvy suits and shirts, we thought he was a Russkie spy!! Then in Libya, the night we had the storm, wind and rain (LOTS!) and next morning the cardboard houses going down to Tobruk had all been knocked over and blown for miles. A diferent world there eh?  Great to hear from you,  best regards,  Tom

November 11, 2015

Joined: April 23, 2014
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Roger Williams ACC

November 11, 2015

Well done Roger! If you go to Archive HQ Sqn you will see the Boxing Programme from Nov 1966 that he has added to the site. Lots of familiar names but no JKW who has pointed out that he was BAOR Champion at the time and this was for novices!

November 11, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 11, 2015

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November 11, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 11, 2015

Roger, another memory from Detmold.... Commanding Officer, Tim Allen, with his big car parked outside RHQ, and in front of it was Capt Geffers and his bubble car. Tall guy in bubble, shorter guy in big car, and Colonel was never happy with that scenario, but it caused "friendly" humour to us in the ranks. BUT, status won overall, when Capt Geffers  must have realised it was not a safe thing to do to upstage the C.O. at any time. I wonder what would have happened it Capt Geffers had got his tank driver to put his Cent in front of Colonel' s parked big car ? All us O.R.s knew it was never a good thing to annoy the Colonel!! But the C.O. was firm but fair, from what I remember. We used to quake if he appeared in the tank park unannounced and we got "the look" and raised eyebrows!! More happy days! Tom

November 11, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 11, 2015

Hello Roger, I served in Herford so we must have met. I was a L/Cpl on the Provost with Big Jack Hughes and Chesty Price, Johnny Holden was provost Sgt. I then became Accounts Cpl in the PRI. I remember Eddie Stubbs and his big old Citroen D5 I think it was , he was a short, squat guy with gingerish hair and  a wee tash I seem to recall. I also knew Sid Swan well, we were in the Regt hockey team together along with Oscar Houston, Ginge wright, Danny Moynihan. Sid was always going to go far, smart, very athletic and a good looking bugger, I remember he always drove a flash car . Do you remember Dave(Pappy) Papworth? I think he was in Herford. He was the grottiest cook I ever encountered, apologies Pappy if you are reading this but the truth must out! Good to hear from you. Best wishes. David Fullard.

November 12, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 12, 2015

Hi Tom.  I don't remember the CO.  Nice tale about him and Capt Geffers though.  Thing was when I was  a Pte or Lcpl I was in my own little world.  The world of higher Officers was so far away and their ranks and names meant nothing to me.  The only time i met the OC HQ Coy was when on orders.  I do recall getting promoted to LCpl and told that whatever I did, to always walk around the camp with a milboard and look in a hurry!  In my army photo album i have the daily Regt Orders for Thur 2 Jan 1969 at Chester.  It names me and others on getting promotion to LCpl and some to Cpl..  How sad is that.  I kept it all these years.  Anyway I shall put it with my other photos under HQ Coy.  Lots of names on it that may be recognised!.  Just thought of something:  When I was in the Officers Mess in Chester some of the Officers decided to hire an open topped bus and with their wives go to Aintree in Liverpool for the Grand National.  They took me along complete with with No 1 Burner to set up alongside the bus and cook them Chicken Coq Au Vin, followed by Trifle etc.  Also in attendance mess waiters, some mess silver and lots of Pimms.  Typical Cavalry Officers!  Meanwhile the general public were swanning around and  stopping to  chat and ask how much!!  All the best  Roger Hi Dave   Thanks very much for the reply.  Chesty Price certainly rings a bell!  Yes that was Eddie Stubbs.  He died of a heart attack as I recall not long after.   Your right about Sid, he always had the habit of looking smart in his cooks whites.  I think he always had a spare set at work so as soon as he spilt some gravy or such on his apron, he whipped out another!  Even on exercise he looked smart all the time.  I use to wonder how the hell he did it.  I do have a photo of him not looking quite so smart out in the field and will put onto HQ Coy photos.   Sid went to the Army School of Catering soon after and rose up through the ranks pretty quickly.   He represented the corps at numerous sports including cricket, hockey and shooting.  He was the corps champion several times.  Being smart and very good at sport is of course a very good start re your career.  I always liked Sid and we met many times during our careers.    Yep he liked a smart motor.  I remember him in Cyprus with a small Fiat 850 Sport.  By all accounts that's where he lives now.   Re Dave Papworth;   Your right he was a bit scruffy.   There is a photo of the cooks including Eddie Stubbs and Dave Papworth under HQ Coy photos that I recently put on so you can see and remember him again!  We all look a bit scruffy in that photo though!   All the Best  Roger    

November 15, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 15, 2015

Hi Roger, I cannot remember you (passage of time !) but we must have known each other - I was in Detmold, almost straight from Boys Service too (arrived Easter '65), boxed for "A" Sqn that year but couldn't the following year when you competed (having won the BAOR title which forbid me fighting Inter -Sqn bouts). I also played for the Regimental soccer team there too. After Detmold I also went to Chester, & remember Eddie Stubbs' Citroen DS (dark red I think), which I was really envious of ! I left The Dale to go recruiting in Watergate St, Chester ('68-'71), staying there until Amalgamation when I too went to Edinburgh ("D" Sqn), although we weren't there too often, with NI & Cyprus tours ! I was 5th Troop Sgt with "D" Sqn, before joining the main body of the Regiment in Herford some 2 years later. Therefore I reckon our paths must have crossed many times, seemingly having followed each other around ! I stayed in for the "22" (plus 3 yrs Boys Service), & like you, am reaping the benefits of a full Army pension ("every little helps" as they say). Who was the "Master Duff" in Detmold who fed us fantastic food but only for a short spell due to being"relieved of his duties" for spending (allegedly !) 12 months food budget in only 3 months !?! Must admit, his food menu's were great, I can even remember the chocolate biscuits he provided (ACC made of course !). Detmold - happy days there - you mentioned "C" Sqn bar - I also spent good times in it, usually having been "invited" by Ronnie Maddocks , mainly, I reckon, to protect him from his missus Moira, who would belt him for spending the housekeeping money at the bar ! Cavalry Officers at Aintree ! I hadn't heard of that one (No 1 burner etc), but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Whenever we went on exercise in BAOR the Mess Truck went too, complete with silver, white table cloths etc, to be set up under canvas whenever the occasion (ie, evening meal !) arose. Some things have never changed eh - the Officers call it "style", and begrudgingly (sorry Freddy !), I think they're right ! Regards, John Webster (aka "JKW")  

November 23, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 23, 2015

Johney Webster. The name definately rings a bell!  I guess you boxed in boys service and brought that experience with you to the Regt.  Well done on winning BAOR.  Great picture at the end of what looks like a scrap! I stayed at  the novice stage.  My hero at that time was Howard Winstone a featherweigh from Merther in South Wales. I do remember the football team well.  Enjoyed Wed afternoons which if I recall was sports afternoon.  Only left a couple of cooks in kitchen to bang out egg,ham,chips,peas with a cake and tea!  I cannot remember who overspent the food budget and got fired! 12 months daily messing rate in 3 months, how brilliant.  Not great for the one following of course when the sirloin steaks became corned beef hash!  I remember that before going on exercise with C  sqn I would visit the kitchen in the evening and nick whatever food I could to take out with me.  We all did it to try and shine a bit.  So with loads of the following days rations going out the back door it must have led to a bit of a shortage! Enjoyed the tour in Libya a lot.  First time I got sun burnt. I did 27 plus boys and then became a food inspector with southampton city council.  Home from home except you couln't shout at the cooks in the food premises!  Retired last year. Anyway John its good to hear from you and all the best. Roger

November 23, 2015

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Roger Williams ACC

November 23, 2015

Roger has put a couple more photos on the site and also a copy of Regimental Orders from Fri 3 Jan 1969 which just happen to show his promotion to L/Cpl! Archive HQ Sqd


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