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December 16, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
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Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 16, 2016

Here's a question for the Scots,has anyone with more than a ( one) brain cell believe the budget that the SNP have just imposed ???? Again they are blaming the Westminster Government ( ie Conservatives) for their woes ,spouting independent agencies on how good this deal is for Scotland ,if they are taxing the so called well off ,43k doesn't sound rich to me . Watching the interview with Andrew Neil the Scottish finance MSP ,all he the finance guy did was spout over Andrew ,not answering the questions put to him ,at the end Andrew stated it was all smoke and mirrors and saying one thing and doing another ,makes me wonder ,waiting for the Scottish people relies they've been conned .

December 18, 2016

Joined: March 24, 2015
Posts: 35
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 18, 2016

I'm Scots and I believe I've got more than one brain cell. I must have something otherwise the company I worked for wouldn't have appointed me as the group head of my department. I should also say the company had over £132 billion in assets under management. Anyway to get back to the subject. Starting with the independence referendum. My wife and I voted to stay in the Union and nobody will change our mind. In fact to give an example of the Nazis way of thinking. I was in my garden one day when 3 people came down the hill past our house. They were carrying bundles of papers and one came up to our gates. ( he looked a bit like Garry Glitter and the first thought that went through my mind was where are the grandchildren) I asked him what they were and he told me they were SNP referendum papers. I told we weren't interested. He turned round to walk away and said "Fuc...g Wa...r" I immediately tried to open the gates to get at him but was stopped by my wife. These people are bullies and thugs. You just have to read in the newspapers about the trolls attacking people on line who don't agree with them. Going on from there, Sturgeon claims to represent the majority of Scots re Brexit. This is total crap. The percentages are as follows. 40% of eligible voters in Scotland abstained by not voting. 23%  of the remainder voted to leave and 37% voted to stay. Hardly the majority. Sturgeon has a team of people behind her who manipulate the facts and numbers. She goes on about austerity. She doesn't mention that between her and her husband (He works for the SNP)  they bring in over £300k per year. Interestingly, she's now refused to publish her own expenses, this goes against her own ministerial code. What does she have to hide?  The view is that she is now out of control. As to that budget, those with more than one brain cell in Scotland and there are a few are very unhappy with this and support is falling both for Independence and also for the SNP. I could go on. But obviously the originator of this subject has his own agenda re the Scots. But life is hard here now. We can only afford 3 bottles of Pol Roger each week. The rest of the time it's fine wines. Not bad for two people who receive no benefits.

December 18, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 687
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 18, 2016

I think there is some halfway ground here. The facts are indisputable, Sturgeon has an agenda that comes across as rampantly anti English, she clearly doesn't always speak for the Scots majority and we are aware her party gained power with substantially less than half of the electorate backing her. I absolutely do not believe she represents the views of Scotland or the Scots as an entity. But; she IS First Minister, she DOES wield power. She IS hawking Scotland around Europe making a laughing stock of herself. Furthermore her and her predecessor's fiscal projections would have seen an independent Scotland now bankrupt rather than just facing a GDP overspend of a mere £14 billion pa. Scotland receives almost £1400 pp pa more from the Whitehall coffers than England does. This helps fund the free university fees, free home care as well as the subsidised and soon to be free (?) prescriptions that Scots enjoy over the rest of the UK. That clearly rankles many non Scots.The independence issue has been debated here to death, we are unanimous in our opinion(I think) that a United Kingdom, a continuation of the Union,is better for us all. Alfie, there is no anti Scots rhetoric on this site, many of us south of the border ARE fed up to the back teeth of the wittering, whining  rhetoric of Ms Krankie and her cabal of nationalist chums but we recognise she doesn't speak for all Scots. Her latest ploy to hold up Brexit, her orders to the Westminster based SNP MPs to vote piecemeal against any and all Government proposals and her laughable hyperbole that she can dictate whether or not another independence referendum will take place all serve to antagonise many non Scots and, I am sure, many Scots themselves. You seem to have taken offence from Bob Riley's post and, whilst he is more than capable of fighting his own corner, I must say he is one of the most balanced people I know, added to which he is domiciled in Eire so he must have a strong constitution lol. I know his remarks apropos "Scots with more than one brain cell" is very tongue in cheek but consider this, we here in England only ever receive media coverage of the Scottish Parliament and Ms Krankie that is disparaging to Whitehall and England, pro independence, pro EU, pro Scottish nationalism and mostly just plain nonsense. As an aside, your  own views on her and the SNP echo those of Frankie Mellon who has been equally vocal about it all previously. The bright light on the Scots political scene, in my opinion,  is the current female leader of the Scottish Tories who seems to speak more sense than most other UK politicians put together.

December 18, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1205
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 18, 2016

Hey Alfie ,if you look at most of my posts are for a United Kingdom the country I grew up in and spent a third of my life defending . Quady humour is running through my veins like most contributors on this site,I may not be politically correct but hey whoa  , I grew on Merseyside when it was acceptable to call it as you seen it . You your selve have commented on the old fisher woman and her claims and her ,what could you call it hatred of the English and blaming the Westminster lot for all Scotland's demises ,we know politicians make claims about who to blame or pending disaster if you don't follow their words ( look at Osbourne in the Brexit lead up ) . What I have tried to do over the years is to get other members thinking ,making them post their views on life wether military or political as at one time after Smudger passed we were going to lose this means of keeping in touch with old friends, since David ,John and Tom have come on the scene we can have tongue in cheek posts on how POLICIANS have FUCKED up this country with their in some cases mamby pamby ways ,this said country I and all members have served defending against all enemies EXTERNAL or INTERNAL ,nuff said . Now you look to the English they have Jeremy Corbyn in charge of Labour Party ,the party I voted for all my life when I lived there ,but he's a ( how can I put this without hurting his feeling ??) oh FECK it a left wing dildo who as far as I see could never be allowed to be Primeminister , just hope somebody will agree more politely . So now I'm off for the next 2 months traveling to see my family and to get a little sun in Goa ,hope you all have a great Christmas and a happy new year .

December 19, 2016

Joined: March 24, 2015
Posts: 35
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 19, 2016

David, Bob, I don't take offence at any comments about the Scots. Being a Scott both by name and nationality, I see and hear the worst that there is coming from the mouths of Gnasher and also Wee Eck. I should also say that having worked in the City of London for over 16 years (Which is not the most politically correct place in the UK) I was called all sorts of names by our traders. Such as Sweaty and other names. However I gave as good as I received and there was no malice involved. In fact they were a good bunch of people. But going back to it. The SNP are starting to lose it now and when you start taking money out of peoples pockets that's when people start to take a dim view and reality starts to kick in. Socialism only works for as long as capitalism supports it. If you look at unemployment figures, in the remainder of the UK the numbers are coming down. In Scotland they are going up. This SNP budget is not going to help things. In the words of a farmer that I know well the SNP government are incompetent. They can't even pay the farmers the subsidy that they are entitled to. As to Gnasher and Wee Eck, when they come on the tv in our house, the channel is changed straight away. Finally, both of us voted to leave the EU. So Gnasher is not speaking for us or the people of Berwickshire. We'll probably declare UDI in the event of independence. On that subject, less people are in favour of independence than there was in 2014. Although I have suggested that she calls a referendum and pays for it out of SNP funds. ( the last one cost £10million). If she loses which she will, she'll fall on her sword like Wee Eck did. But she wont do this, it's estimated that she's made over £1 million since she came to power. Her bluff should be called.

December 19, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 19, 2016

I always think that whatever is written on this forum is open and not vindictive, but some of the things discussed here  are against all that the majority of us think, on many many topics, and should never be thought of as being  malicious in any way, with regards to what is written.  We are mainly expressing what lots of us think and support, but we should never make vindictive comments about our former, or present, regimental comrades. and is mostly presented as a little tongue in cheek. Opposite view, sometimes, but normally non agressive in any way. Which is how we can all get our messages across, but it should never be verbal abuse of any sort. After all, we are, or were formally, members of the same Regiment, either Carbs, Greys or Scots DG, all with the same intent on keeping UK safe and well thought of. Sticks and stones, or broken bones go against our common ethic of service to each other, our unit, or old friends. It is the leaders of each nation within the UK and their respective governments we are commenting on, which is how it should be in a civilised group of member countries. Even though it all falls on politically deaf ears!!! Here endeth the latest epistle!!! Roll on Christmas eh?? And Hogmanay too!!! (I hope I spelt this last correctly). And a Merry Christmas and a great Hogmanay to all... wherever you may be....  to you, from me!!!  Tom  

December 20, 2016

Joined: March 24, 2015
Posts: 35
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 20, 2016

I see Sturgeon's at it again about Brexit. Somebody should tell her that Scotland trades more with England than Europe. At the weekend Wee Eck was saying that independence is inevitable. I don't think so. Many people believe that we're just a bunch of daft Jocks, but believe it or not there is a lot of realists and semi intelligent people up here. On the subject of Wee Eck, when he was elected as an MP at the palace of Westminster, he also continued to take his salary as an MSP. Nothing said about that one. Mind you it's only tax payers money and I'm one who still pays a fair chunk in taxes. Eck also gave one of his staff a £10k bonus and shrugged it off when held to account saying she deserved it. After all it's opm (other peoples money). We just despair when we hear about all this crap. People down south only hear Gnasher going on about independence and how hard done Scotland is. She fails to mention that all the police forces in Scotland have been amalgamated into one force, Police Scotland with one chief constable. The SNP government selected someone who will do as he's told. It's a disaster. They're also closing our courts to save money. NHS Scotland is also being starved of funding, the education system which used to be first class is going downhill. Transport system!!!!These are decisions that the SNP government have made. This is all reported in the Scottish press and Sturgeon is also described as beleaguered. But she always blames the UK government. we're being treated like fools. Sorry for going on about this but you probably now know how we feel up here. If Scotland ever becomes independent, we're going to sell up and move south. I should also say to Bob Riley, that my dearly beloved and myself are true blue Conservative supporters. Alfie.

December 20, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 199
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 20, 2016

Alfie  I replied on hard and soft Brexit, however here on smoke and mirrors , we do not get to see the information you are giving us , as you say we mostly get the BBC /ITV versions of what is happening North of  the border. I do go on Facebook now and again but only ever see Pro indy being pushed by avid SNP supporters, funny really, some of them live in France, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Spain Cyprus, etc and moan about the exchange rate vis-a-vis pensions. if they care so much about their country, why are they paying taxes to another, they remind me of the Irish in America when asked why they funded the IRA/PIRA said they were Irish. This was by 3rd and 4th generation who were born there, in my Book that makes them American. Hmm food for thought.  

December 21, 2016

Joined: March 24, 2015
Posts: 35
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 21, 2016

It's interesting that you mention these people from other parts of the world. Gnasher's considering that the SNP stand in some of the southern constituencies due to the fact that she's received many letters of support from these areas. I'm all for it! They'll lose their deposits and look bigger fools than they are. Hasn't she heard of UKIP? Here's another one to add to the vomit bag. She's possibly going to be nominated for the female politician of the year. At this stage, I'm considering swearing on line. Better not in case I get barred.

December 21, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
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December 21, 2016

Alfie, she would be better described as "female lunatic of the century"  which is more appropriate... , Tom

December 22, 2016

Joined: March 24, 2015
Posts: 35
Smoke and Mirrors ,SNP

December 22, 2016

She's out of control and should be sectioned!


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