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April 9, 2016

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The Army And Women

April 9, 2016

I remember, as a 15 year old Junior leader, my first contact with a WRAC. We'd been boxing training in the top Garrison gym, & after showering, left the changing rooms to find the WRAC netball team in the middle of a game in the gym. Squeezing ourselves down the edge of the court, the ball went out of play & I caught it - thinking I was being a "gentleman" (naive fool !) I passed the ball to a nearby female player - "Thanks c**t " was her response !!! I'd never heard a female swear like that before, and I blushed from head to toe. Incidentally, totally agree with you Dave, regarding females on the front line, a definite no-no in my book. John (JKW)

April 10, 2016

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April 10, 2016

The major deterrent to women serving in the fighting units of the Army would be to show them the VERY gruesome injuries front line troops have suffered in the service of UK. Most people do not comprehend the injuries sustained in front line service. I bet the vast majority of people who are pushing for females in front line combat units have never seen the horrific injuries which can and often do occur in front line combat, as most front line troops have, RSDG and others in earlier middle and far east combat  and it ain't pretty. The injuries I have seen second hand were from misfires in the tank turret, where the round is dropped onto the metal floor, and goes off, to direct hits from enemy artillery or enemy armour ....ghastly. Our RSDG troops who were in actual close combat could put them right there, too. Injuries suffered in action on the front line are never going to be pretty. . There are a great number of films and battle books covering ACTUAL combat, from 1914/18 war in tanks, to WW2 and later conflicts. That should be enough to put most people off close and not so close combat, the world is going crazy. If women ARE allowed to serve in the front line combat areas as fighting troops, they would be liable to suffer even more dreadful treatments at the hands of the enemy if captured alive.....As for JKW's note, I reckon the PTI loons were trying to impress the women, but would have failed miserably with all the "F..." and "C..." words they came out with. Words of encouragement get the correct response, NOT the swearing.

April 10, 2016

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April 10, 2016

What can one say on having a female infantry soldiers,this month we are remembering the Falkland conflict, when yomping beacame a word used by the media . Now looking back would a female no matter how fit been able to carry her equipment and extras across that terrain,fight etc as the paras/marines did .Notice the type of service men I said ,both of the super fit club ,not like us tankies. In theory it sounds great for woman's equality but if I say if you expect a size 10 ( 9 stone) female to pick up a 12 stone male and carry him to safety,is a NO NO, yes there are exceptions to the rule but  you then have the wrong time of month etc let alone their what would say squeamish reaction to severe injuries on the battlefield. Yes have them release men to the front line ,yes have them fill the jobs were their tenacity come to the fore but NO WAY on the frontline. Being a chauvinist what would they do with their nail varnish/mirror/lipstick/ tampax/ nylons / need I say more ???

April 10, 2016

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April 10, 2016

I fear that I must agree with you on some of your points ,IE the programme that David watched, I too watched that programme on catch up ( found a new channel seven, to many and to long adverts) it was amusing in parts where the forced march with bergens etc etc, one girl could not get up with all her kit on, and when pulled up by a friend promptly fell over,swearing. I do agree that most women are not as strong as men however there are medics, one very small girl won the MM for crossing the battlefield under continuous heavy fire to tend our wounded in AFGHANISTAN, and stayed with them, returning enemy fire, and extracted them to a place of safety,another was mentioned in dispatches for the same type of action, and decorated by the Americans for doing the same in a different action.With reference to the blood and gore that is what they are trained for, and to all reports that I have read and heard about it did not faze them. I do however have reservations about them being front line soldiers per se.   one should also use the internet to look at what other countries are and have done with their armed forces where women soldiers are concerned. It is nothing new the soviets had their women only battalions in the 39/45 war, more recently the Asian nations, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans North and South in particular first you must learn how to smile as you kill, it must also be said that no woman has passed selection for our special forces..

April 11, 2016

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April 11, 2016

Bob I have to contradict you sorry ,the female medic got the "MC " ,her story is out called "Battleworn" yes she a very brave soldier/medic ,but after multiple tours in Afganistan decided to leave the Army. Her story is quite frightening of the 150 soldiers in her company they had over 50% casualties in the last tour ,talk about the trenches of WW1 ....that was tour when a labour defence secretary said " a shot wouldn't be fired" did anyone tell the tallyban?????

April 11, 2016

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April 11, 2016

I too have my reservations about females in the Infantry and RAC. I had seen the adverts for this programme and decided it might be worth a look intending to set it up to record. I forgot but my daughter was watching it in her bedroom and reminded me it was on, I tuned in just at a part where a J/NCO was bollocking a group of young women and his language was even to my seasoned ears totally innapropriate. Those of you who served with me will know I had a reputation for being a gobby wee shortarsed smartarse typical gunnery instructor and there was a time for effin' and blindin' but this was not the occasion IMO. Every other word was f*ck or f*ckin', there was no sense to his rant and I am sure those on the receiving end got no benefit. A bollocking needs to be constructive, my only hope that this young idiot of a J/NCO was playing up to the cameras because if this is typical of today's modern army then it is a disgrace. I say all of this having received more than my share of bollockings over the years many from members of this forum but never once was I on the receiving end of such utter bollocks IMO. I decided not to watch any more however it did trigger a conversation with my daughter about females in front line combat. At first she didn't see the subtle difference between females in the Army and in front line active combat. I made many of the points detailed earlier in this thread and even talked to her about the basics of body functions in a closed down AFV, there is no way I would want to think of my daughter taking her turn holding the 'bag' whilst some hairy arsed squaddie squatted over the edge of the loaders guard. I am probably a dinosaur but I believe in being polite and showing respect to females, my good lady never opens a door if I am in her company, that includes car doors, I always walk on the 'outside' when we are walking on the pavement (something that seems to be lost on today's generation). I still stand when a lady joins our company much to the amusement of some of the morons we encounter when at a works social function.  Of course I swear on occasion, probably much too often, but I would have never spoken to any group of females nor indeed males in the manner that J/NCO did and the fact that someone in authority decided this was the image the modern army wanted to portray is deeply worrying. Needless to say I won't be watching the programme again and I do not believe females should serve in front line Infantry or RAC regiments and that is said with full respect to all females.


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