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The Law Courts And Brexit
December 5, 2016

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The Law Courts And Brexit

December 5, 2016

So, here we are, all 11 Supreme Court Judges, the so called Law Lords, are sitting in judgement on the vexed question apropos whether The Government has the right to initiate Brexit, invoking Article 50, without the explicit assent of Parliament. In truth the real issue is not the actual Brexit itself but the terms involved in doing so. The issue of the UK's continued membership of the Single Market being the real point of contention amongst the Remoaners. It is an undeniable fact that an Act of Parliament took us INTO the EU. I fear, putting all of the hyperbole and rhetoric to one side, the Law Lords will likely conclude that an Act of Parliament is required to take us OUT of the EU. I hope I am wrong. I hope the will of the nation prevails, I hope the Law Lords conclude that Parliament, in authorising the referendum, de facto authorised the Govt to enact the outcome of that referendum. I am not convinced that will happen. The real danger of the decision going against the Government lies in the fact that many MPs would use such a legal outcome to hold TM to ransom come the vote on Article 50. Many MPs are already incensed that TM is refusing to give early warning of the Government's planned exit terms. If the enaction of Article 50 is deemed to be a matter for a Parliamentary debate and a vote, the Govt will be reliant on gaining a majority. There are enough MPs just waiting for that moment threaten to stymie the Govt's plans unless they get what they want. What a mess, what a farce, what a total dogs bollocks we have made of this. Talk about committing hair kari, shooting oneself in the foot, cutting your nose off to spite your face, sh**ting on one's own doorstep...........!!  To add insult to injury, the 11 most senior judicial brains in the whole country need over a month to tell us their considered opinion on the matter. Finally, I pose the question, if the Law Lords hold that Parliament must vote on enacting Article 50, do people really believe enough MPs would defy the will of their own electorate and vote against it? An interesting debate methinks!!

December 5, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
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The Law Courts And Brexit

December 5, 2016

If the law lords and their supporters do not stop pontificating on this subject, we could have one hell of a reaction from the electorate, since if the law lords and their hangers on go against the Government plan, voted for by a majority in the referendum vote, then trouble in plenty could be the result, and we could have another delay in agreeing the passing of the referendum . Why the delays in the first place, the electorate voted for leaving the EU, and that SHOULD be the end of the matter, but these law lords and their hangers on will just carry on being bloody minded, and delay this change indefinitely, despite the vote being taken and voting "Leave". What can the EU do to delay it, even get our "superiors" to drop the matter and just keep us in the dying EU? Treachery comes to mind.

December 7, 2016

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December 7, 2016

Hyperthetical question ," if the government (TM aka PM) just says FECK off to all ,and just pulls up the drawbridge and declares that the UK is out of Europe as of the 1st of March 2017" ???? ... So what could the EU do ??? or the liberal mamby pamby remainders do ?????  or the opposition in Westminster ????  Why ask this question ,well the United Kingdom is still a sovereign country with an elected government of a year or so ,would the Queen impose her authority as a constitutional monarch ?????. Further to this it seems to me the EU needs the UK more than visa versa ,we as a country should be imposing our will not being subjected to threats from non elected highly paid geeks in Brussels . As far the courts again the PM could tell them to pack their bags and FECK off to their villas in Spain/France etc . Or is this all wishful thinking on my part or has the PM the balls to do it ????????

December 7, 2016

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December 7, 2016

Good question Bob, I have posed the same question myself. I THINK the answer lies within the following; firstly we are bound by treaty to abide by the EU rules, these are legally enforceable through the European Courts of Justice which we are part of. Secondly; for us to just walk away would mean we had no automatic trade bargaining powers with any of the 27 EU member states who could impose swingeing levies on our exports. That of course could be a double edged sword for the EU as well but in truth if we are seen as a country who isn't prepared to abide by contracts and treaties we sign up to, our fiscal confidence rating would likely plunge and our credit rating would drop off the radar. So: however tempting it might be to cut and run it isn't a viable option, sadly, but as I said I expect many others are asking the same question!!

December 7, 2016

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The Law Courts And Brexit

December 7, 2016

Now parliament has voted , we are now in business or are we ???? The first person the BBC interview after the vote was a "remainder" MP  who spouted her anointed bilge against the leaving of the EU . Must have a plan,a white paper ,another vote from parliament on and on and on ,now we have the Scotish parliament sticking it's nose into foreign affairs that are not on the job title ,as they want to vote on Brexit plans tooo . I think the sooner the SNP and their delusional supporters leave ,why it's getting a real pain in the arse that 8% of the population think they can impose their ideology on the the other 92% ,talk about spitting their dummy out !!!

December 18, 2016

Joined: March 24, 2015
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December 18, 2016

All these MPs who are remainers should go back to their constituencies especially where the majority voted to leave and explain their views. If they really feel strongly about this they should resign and force a by-election. But there's no chance of this. They don't want to leave that very exclusive club. As to Scotland imposing there ideology, what a yawn. It's one stupid woman and her hangers on. The way they're behaving she'll be out on her backside at the next election. Here in Berwickshire although we have a SNP MP in the Palace of Westminster. He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.  He's done nothing for the constituency. but this is the same for the local councillors. They have to do what the SNP Polit Buro tells them or they get de-selected.

December 18, 2016

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December 18, 2016

Alfie, does THAT not confirm my thoughts,which are that nearly all politicians in one way or another are stymied by their leaders inso far as not  requesting and getting changes that we, the electorate want as a matter of urgency? It seems that we are inconsequencial in all this, and we are batting with a banana while those in power are bowling with a   3 ton metal ball? Or am I the one who has got it wrong??


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