Back to all topics

The Olympics
August 10, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 683
The Olympics

August 10, 2016

The Olympics is upon us now, "good and proper"as they say. The whole concept of the games can be thought provoking if one delves even slightly beneath the veneer of tradition, the Olympic ideology, the global coming together to compete et al. These games are mired in controversy regarding the doping scandals that drive a coach and horses through any vestige of fair play and the general Olympic ethos. I believe the whole Russian Olympic team, lock stock and barrel, should have been banned as a warning to everyone that cheating will not be countenanced. Leaving it to the individual IOCs was a cop out, the total ban has however been enacted on the entire  Russian Para Olympic cohort. Doping and cheating scandals aside I wonder what fellow posters feel about the ethos of £billions being spent on the games when so many people  in Brazil live in abject poverty, where Medicare is often inadequate or unattainable for the poor, where human rights count for nothing and a huge percentage of kids grow up illiterate. Could that money, should that money,  be spent on more worthwhile things or are the Olympics worth the cost?? Brazil is of course one of many countries which can or could ill afford the financial burden of staging these games. Does it really matter who can run the the fastest? Do people really care who jumps the highest or longest, is anyone truly bothered about who can throw a spear or a discus the furthest? Is the fleeting glory of the games worth the money that could be used to provide decent living standards to thousands of citizens of the host country? My question I guess is, can it be morally justified to spend so much on sports when so many citizens of the host country and the competing countries live such desperately deprived lives? There are of course many similar analogies to contemplate  but as we are currently mid Olympics so to speak  my post is just  some food for thought.

 

August 10, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
The Olympics

August 10, 2016

David I agree ,how can sports fritter away monies that could do so much for the disenfranchised poor . Examples are now were footballers are costing multi millions ,yes with Sky ,BT etc paying so much to broadcast matches ,but honestly is a guy worth a €100 million who on his next match he could injure himself and never play again ,or 2/300k a week no way . I remember when Johny Haynes was the first footballer on a thousand a year ,yes a whole £20 a week and they played more games too . Now you've a American swimmer with more gold medals than some countries have gained thro out the life of all Olympic Games ,oh and the drugs by individuals let alone countries ,for the glory ???????????

August 11, 2016

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 556
The Olympics

August 11, 2016

I also question why top professionals like Andy Murray, Justin Rose etc, can compete in the Olympics ? I always believed it was designed for amateur athletes to pit their talents on the world stage - mind you, even our amateurs are sponsored so they can train full time rather than work, a trend I reckon that was started by Russia & China  many years ago with their State sponsored "scholarships". I must admit the Olympics have lost the allure for me they once had, & the doping scandal is the final nail in the coffin, although I'm STILL pleased when we win any medals ! With regards Brazil being the hosts this time, they have been VERY careful to hide the appalling deprivation many of it's citizens suffer on a daily basis, with the people there so angry at the money poured into hosting the event - a friend of mine whose wife is Brazilian believes there will be a mass uprising once the Games are over-  they forecast  the time bomb is ticking & will explode soon enough. John (JKW)

August 11, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
The Olympics

August 11, 2016

John there is no such as a shamature ,they including the best runners are advertising for MONEY ,consider that Rugby union converted to professional like tennis only in the last 25 years or so. Television money is the crux of the matter look at the Premiership how can a footballer be worth millions ,answer TV money , has it made sport in general better ??as far as I'm concerned NO as there less people playing sport than as in our youth .

August 12, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
The Olympics

August 12, 2016

Further to my post last night ,ticket touts in Rio have been arrested with about €3 million face value tickets ,they came from the Irish Olympic set up and the Guarda are/have arrested directors investigating the books etc ......so €3 mill here how much would the tout got for them .....were there is money sport goes out the window ,me cynical no way

August 13, 2016

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 556
The Olympics

August 13, 2016

I'm not a great fan of the Olympics, but last night by chance I watched the cycle racing with Sir Bradley Wiggins & team in their Final. I must admit, it was exciting, & both SWMBO 'd & I were enthralled at the spectacle, neither of us understanding the rules much but caught up in the excitement of watching us not only beating  the Aussies, but getting the Gold Medal too. I reckon that's another PLUS for BREXIT (well, the doom mongers use any excuse too, don't they !?!). John (JKW)

August 13, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
The Olympics

August 13, 2016

John, the crash  in the velodrome the other day, with 3 lady riders being injured looked really bad, but it appears the girl riders are built of tough stuff, and were back on their feet some time later. One good thing about the money angle, it has been used for so long now it has become part of the fabric , but I do agree that without the sponsorship cash, a lot of the competitors, male and female, from many different countries could not partake. They are all friends, and are happy for the winners, and say they will be better next time. THAT is real sport, not the stuff where competitors stuff themselves with all sorts of drugs. Not sport,, and it needs sorting out, but I know not how after so long being a part of the setup. As you say, it was once the amateurs who took part, for the joy of it, which was the original idea. I hope it can be changed, but not holding my breath!!

August 17, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
The Olympics

August 17, 2016

A couple of days to go and the Rio games will be over and so far so good , they had a coach from the gymnastics on the Beeb explaining how the young guy who won back to back Gold on Monday started at 9 years old . Me at 9 did not have the chance to develop into an Olympic athlete ,so the funding from the lottery is showing results for the country , yes the USA are streets ahead but compared to the other large Europeen countries France/Germany the sports men/woman of the U.K. have done the country proud ...come on team GB

August 17, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 683
The Olympics

August 17, 2016

Bob, Google Team GB funding and see how many £millions are pumped into the successful sports, water polo, basketball and some other sports considered to be "losers" get nothing. The ideology is all centred on success rather than sport itself. Like you I am proud of our successes, how can we not be, but I also recognise the ethos of sports as an entity has been compromised beyond redemption. Sadly. But; onwards and upwards if they are all doing it we would be fools to not give our sportsmen and women the same chance.....I suppose.  

August 17, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 683
The Olympics

August 17, 2016

Just watching the women's 800 meters heats. The SA athlete Semenya looks like a man and is expected to win the event outright. She suffers from hyperandroidism apparently which in effect means her testosterone levels far exceed those of "normal women". According to the results of the tests she was made to undergo last year, she has testosterone levels almost as high as a normal male, she has no ovaries, she has internal testes, she is a lesbian. In the wake of the debate her condition prompted for a while women athletes who had abnormally high testosterone levels had to chemically reduce them to a level deemed acceptable for "normal women" in order to compete. We all remember the old days when the East bloc athletes such as Irma and Tamara Press were far removed from any semblance of womanhood or femininity, being built like brick outhouses complete with facial hair et al. Anyway, when Semenya was made to reduce her testosterone levels she dropped out of contention. Then the rules were reversed and women athletes  with abnormally high testosterone levels were no longer required to do this. Lo and behold Semenya immediately wins the World Cup 800 meters again by a considerable margin. Now she is back at the olympics competing as a woman against other women who have almost no chance against her as they all have far lower testosterone levels, less muscle mass and less strength. There is now talk of allowing trans gender athletes to compete in their newly adopted genders so we could soon see Michael transgendering to become Michaela and competing against women. The mind boggles.                

August 17, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
The Olympics

August 17, 2016

David, As soon as I saw that athlete appear on the TV screen, before the first race of the group, I said straightaway that IT was a man. The body shape, stance and muscle form were all non female. Then  some time after the initial race of this stage, the commentators reported that SHE was an IT, ie she had both male and female sex organs inside her, and her testosterone level was truly male rather than female, so how does the poor girl feel after this all comes out - she did not know, apparently, that she had these extra bits, and male testosterone levels, so the blame can only go on the doctors of her country's team, and not this poor girl. The heads of the Olympic setup must now react, and improve the testing standards they are presently using. I just feel so sorry for her, she is the innocent party.

August 17, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
The Olympics

August 17, 2016

Subscript....  This problem has been reported on by the Olympic committees, I have now found out that she DID know about her mixed gender after all, so we will have to see what the rulers now say, but it seems to me that this type of sex confusion must be removed from all sportsmen and -women.so male females and female males can not compete in such competitions until a cure/ban can be imposed. So are we now going to have 2 new genders, male females and female males, or are both now to be banned?

August 17, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 683
The Olympics

August 17, 2016

It is unfortunate that this person suffers from this condition and has had to undergo some pretty distressing and intimate tests that are now in the public domain. But; as you rightly state, Tom, she is aware of her condition, she has declared she is a lesbian and she knows her far higher than normal testosterone levels give her an unfair advantage over other women. The olympics is meant to be all about equality of sporting parameters, athletes competing on a level playing field, sport taking precedence over money and politics with each passing day of the Rio olympics there seems to be something that emerges to contradict that ethos. As a postscript, Germany and Australia are questioning the Team GB's  cycling successes saying it is strange how they come good at the olympics and are so much better than the other countries. Sour grapes or what!!

August 21, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
The Olympics

August 21, 2016

Thought I'd finish off this set of posts our good friend David started on the Olympics ,reading the posts the majority believe the lottery funding and professional sportsmen/woman have made a differant outcome since the Atlanta games in the 90's. Yes we have 5 Irish citizens arrested for bogus tickets/ touting but that could happen in any sport considering the amount of monies being quoted ,just look at the actions of F I F A and the large sums of money causing problems within that organisation , let the police do there job and if proved ( asTom would say ) hang 'em . So this being the last day/night the Great Britain team has given us ( N Irish,Welsh,Scots and English ) peasants a lighter step,a happy smile and a job well done ,now we are becoming a sports super power ( after all most of the sports were created in/on these Islands ) ,now just waiting for the Super Heavyweight final bout for another Gold.......come on  team GB


1 Next

Total members: 261
Total posts: 4154