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Those Terrible Grey Horses
February 22, 2016

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Those Terrible Grey Horses

February 22, 2016

Hi ,my memories of organisations inside/outside the military life we had was the "Buffaloes " when in Chester there was a strong membership of nco/senior ranks of the branch on City Rd .I won't name names as they might not want the penny to drop but my brother in laws younger brother was a member in Herford at div HQ .

February 22, 2016

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Those Terrible Grey Horses

February 22, 2016

Whilst absolutely not being dismissive of Judd's experience I strongly concur with JKW's sentiments apropos bias, or rather the lack of it, within SCOTS DG. In Herford, the then Major Ramsay, ASKED me (ex 10H and ex3DG) to join C Squadron and set me on the path that was to define my later career by encouraging me to become Unit Accountant. Many years later having reached the substantive rank of Major,  holding down a mainstream SO2 post at HQ 1BR Corps for 3 years and turning down the opportunity of a posting as Lt Col in favour of early retirement (MA to Chief JSLO in Bonn- German language requirement ergo the offer) I absolutely cannot complain in any shape or form that SCOTS DG showed me anything other than  brilliant career opportunities. If you look at JKW, JT, Beastie Savage, Dave Roberts, all ex 3DG who made RSM, Graham Pearce, John Tyson, Ben Woodall, Dave Roberts, Robbie Bennet, all ex 3DG who were commissioned, I am sure I have missed others off the list. There WAS an undercurrent of Masonic movement within SCOTS DG, at times more sporadically pronounced than at others, HRH The Duke of Kent was the  Grand Master or whatever it is called for some considerable time. That all aside,  I never witnessed or heard of any nepotism or favouritism when it came to promotions et al. It should also be said that I know for certain some ex 3DG colleagues joined the Masons whilst we were stationed in Sennelager which was where it was most prolific. That all notwithstanding, I always try and look back on my career with an open mind and a kind heart. I had the odd hiccup, mostly my own doing, I had the odd setback, almost ALWAYS my own doing but I also had a huge amount of luck, some wholly undeserved breaks, some brilliant mentors and supporters and a wonderful career. I met and served with many fantastic people, some of whom I was in awe of some of whom I wasn't but I learned a huge amount and I believe I am a better person for the experience. I wouldn't have missed any of it for the world! I long ago learned bitterness eats ones soul and every second given to such negativity is time wasted. Just my thoughts on the matter.

February 23, 2016

Joined: February 12, 2016
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February 23, 2016

I am sorry if I gave the impression that I was criticising Mo Potter! Far from it, I had known Mo for many years before the amalgamation. We had shared the same office at the D &M School for quite some time, he as Schools Author and me as Simulator WO. Mo was a great bloke. He had helped me on exercise when we were both SQMS's. I was just putting down in print, a few of my thoughts. I enjoyed my time in the Regiment. I did not want to cause any ill feeling.

February 23, 2016

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February 23, 2016

As someone who served all my service in the SCOTS DG joining in '73 only a couple of years after the amalgamation I am not best placed to comment on how former members of either parent regiment felt they were treated thereafter.  What I can say is that in all my time I never saw any particular bias either way other than light hearted banter given we had a mix of Jocks, Taffs and Englishmen and a spattering from other corners of the world. I worked under some great 3DG senior NCOs and the same for former GREYS like all of us there were those who we didn't enjoy serving with but I again don't recall either GREYS or 3DG being a factor, it was more the person than their former cap badge that influenced my view.  As to the masons influence I spent most of my time in the WOs & Sgts's Mess, 81-96, yes there were a few, probably no more than in other regiments but like JKW I don't recall it having that much influence. As to promotion it certainly didn't hold me back being a non masonic, short arsed, left handed, catholic gunnery loving Glaswegian.  In the end my own silly misdemeanor called a halt to my prospects one step short of my goal. I can't blame anyone but myself for not achieving my ambition to be RSM. I know guys who were open masons, some kept it quiet and the vast majority ofguys like myself who had no interest in the 'organisation' at all and I am confident it had no impact on their progression or failure to progress.  The thing in my opinion that stifled the former 3DG influence in the progression of the SCOTS DG was loosing the North West of England & Wales as a recruiting ground. That wrong decision by the MOD meant that our previous roots from that part of the country were destined to wither and die. I will always be proud of my Regiment and particularly proud of its 6DG, 3DG and GREYS background that made us 'Second to None' and remain proud to say 'Ich Dien'.

February 23, 2016

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February 23, 2016

Judd, you have certainly not offended me and I very much doubt you have offended JKW either. The fact is this site is there for people to express their views, to relive their experiences to swap yarns and TO blether. Sometimes some of us will not necessarily agree with what someone writes, that's just the nature of the beast. I never for a minute thought you were criticising Mo Potter and from my perspective you have absolutely NOT caused any ill feeling. In fact your appearance on the site has stimulated conversation and livened it up, which can only be a good thing. I REALLY enjoyed reading your posts, long may they continue! Can't promise to always agree with you though, It's called grumpy old man syndrome, with me anyway!


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