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June 28, 2016

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Who will it be ????

June 28, 2016

The current state of the Westminster political scene is a national disgrace, it is appalling! We are now the laughing stock of the world. This once great nation's democratic political structure has descended into a farce of gargantuan proportions in my opinion. The Tories are dangerously divided on the Nation's decision to leave the EU,with the naked ambitions of one or two prominent MPs gathering more significance than the needs of the country. They have no obvious candidate with the gravitas, global standing or party political support to succeed Cameron and lead us forward. BJ will almost certainly become PM as a result and that is not what we need. Labour are now almost as irrelevant as the Lib/Dems and will remain so as long as Corbyn remains leader. 172 of his MPs call for him to go and he refuses! Blind stupidity, crass ignorance, thick skinned ineptness and a complete inability to just bite the bullet and do the right thing, the right thing for his party and the country. The Lib/Dems meanwhile continue their unabated landslide into the final throes of political oblivion. That really just leaves the SNP, led by the toxic dwarf, a lady who feels that a million or so Scots who voted against Brexit have greater national importance than the 17.4 million other Brits who voted differently. She then tries to knife us in the back. She debases herself and her electorate by begging the EU to allow Scotland to remain a member when she explicitly knows Scotland has no standing anywhere in the world other than as a constituent part of the U.K., the UK who voted to leave! Her reward? Humiliation! NI is also upset at the outcome of the referendum with the inevitable Sinn Fein machinations at exploiting the situation to further their aim of a united Ireland. And to top it all a nation smaller than the population of Coventry field a team of part timers who trounce the multi million £ side of England who have a population approximately 180 times greater! Haven't reached for the Famous Grouse bottle for some time now but needs must!!

June 28, 2016

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June 28, 2016

I reckon the Tory candidates will be whittled down to 3 : Boris, the popular vote by those who believe he led a good "Leave" campaign, although his fellow MP's do not want him, plus being a cross in appearance of Trump (hair !)& Corbyn (scruffy !) does not make for a statesmanlike stature. Intelligent, down to earth (by Tory standards !), but flawed in policies IMO. Theresa May - a strong contender in many ways, & despite being on the "Remain" side, probably in a desire to be loyal to DC and was certainly not vociferous in that support , but is very experienced in politics. Michael Gove - the "quiet man" of the "Leave" side, nevertheless a major factor in winning the vote. The others (especially Jeremy Hunt !) will be there just to make up the numbers - if I was to have a vote I would put my X against Theresa May's name on the basis that she is the most experienced , but in reality, none of them really inspire me, although all eminently better than anything offered by the Lib/Dems or Labour at present. For Labour to re-group it would take David Miliband to come back from the USA to unite the Party, although Andy Burnham could do a better job than Corbyn & co.   Lib/Dems? - might as well save up now to lose their deposits at the next election ! John (JKW)

June 29, 2016

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June 29, 2016

I doubt Gove will stand I think he has done a deal to back Boris in exchange for a cabinet post of his choosing! Hunt is irrelevant, his NHS disaster (the junior doctors strike et al) will haunt him forever. The other person being followed by the media is Crabb who I had never really heard of until yesterday!  I believe it will be a straight fight between May and Boris. Like JK I have no great faith in either of them but if I had to choose the would be May. That said I think BJ's bid will prevail.........sadly!

June 29, 2016

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June 29, 2016

 

I know a lot of really staunch SNP voters who feel that Wee Nicola is out of order. In every other topic they give Wee Nicola their full support, but they cannot agree with her on EU membership.

 

Humour me on this. I listened to the Lib Dum leader the other night and my understanding was that if the Tory leadership tussle results in a General Election he is considering including in his manifesto an additional referendum (2nd) to give voters the choice of accepting or refusing whatever terms we end up with after the Article 50 negotiations are complete.  I can only assume that if the outcome of that referendum was 'refuse' then bearing in mind the EU would not accept any further negotiations then he would be looking at yet another referendum (3rd) asking the LEAVE/REMAIN question again in the hope it would come out REMAIN. I know undemocratic but please stay with me on this.

 

On the face of it it seems crazy, people actually voting Lib Dums in numbers!!!!!! but nothing would surprise me in the current period of political upheaval.  Now his biggest stumbling block would be getting enough voters to jump ship from Labour and Tory to Lib Dums. Perhaps he might attract the ‘allegedly’ hundreds of thousands of 'young' voters who supported REMAIN but were too silly not to use their vote last week and you would assume all those who voted REMAIN would see it as their only opportunity to prevent BREXIT. They might also attract Unionist voters in Scotland and NI who are totally opposed to splitting up the UK.

 

Take it a hypothetical stage further. The current Labour meltdown may well result in a split in the party with those opposed to Corbyn breaking away and forming a new Labour branch party under David Miliband and who is to say they wouldn’t see a similar pledge as being a way they could set themselves up as being a credible alternative government to both the Tories and Corbyn’s Labour.

 

I am not saying I agree with this but………..We are living in interesting times where nothing can be ruled out.

 

June 29, 2016

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June 29, 2016

Very interesting but who knows Frankie ,as you posted its all up in the air,here's one problem being reported on over here in Ireland. Let me explain back in April we had a general election,the then government got hammered and we've a third of the Irish Parliament anti water charges thus voting against the policy ( dictate) from Brussels that Ireland has to charge separately for water ( this has been paid out general taxation for decades) so the current minority government suspended the charge mmmmmm democracy yep good .But the powers than run the EU have told Ireland if they don't do what (Brussels) want they will be fined heavily,and as you know you don't dictate to Paddy without a reaction,now we have movement asking for Eirxit ,they don't like being told to pay taxes that already paid . With a third independent TD's ( MP to us ) with a mandate not to pay this could be interesting too , this could be the dominos effect Brussels didn't want but it keeps upsetting the people outside of Berlin,Paris etc . If this comes to fruition Scotland would be foolish not to be a part of these islands, but the fish lady has her own agenda and F the people.( ps I like your pics as a boy soldier of 40 odd years ago )

June 29, 2016

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June 29, 2016

Frankie my understanding is, once Article 50 is declared there is no going back, there can be no referendum on accepting or rejecting the terms agreed. There seems to be a lot of ill informed Politicians spouting rhetoric that have no legal standing whatsoever. Apart from the nonsense Gregg Lib Dum was talking, Boris was also at it today saying we could negotiate Single Market trading terms devoid of the mandatory free movement clause that is an integral part of it. He was quickly reprimanded by Eurocrats just waiting to contradict anything we now say on the matter. 'Wee Nicola' is also talking rot about Scotland's position in the whole saga. The fact is we as a nation, as the United Kingdom, voted to leave the EU. We knew, or should have known, there would be a price to pay.......there always is in such matters! That price will encompass a disgruntled EU Commission making life difficult for us in order to deter other potential leavers from following our lead. As a nation we need to stay calm, we need to speak with an informed and erudite voice, devoid of rhetoric and gloating a la Farage's performance in the EU meeting yesterday. I am a Brexit supporter but I have steadfastly accepted that if we wish to continue to trade with the single market there will be a financial price to pay as well as the adherence to the free movement clause that goes with it. We have a clear choice, walk away completely, bin any access to the single market where some 46% of our exports go and take our chances with the other wider global markets OR try to negotiate the best terms we can with a set of now bloody minded Eurocrats who consider us  traitors. Like you say, We DO live in interesting times and each day now seems to bring forth another political upset, the fact is we need stability not unrest and uncertainty!!

June 29, 2016

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June 29, 2016

David, your last sentence re needing "stability not unrest & uncertainty" is THE reason why all the politicians of this great nation of ours should now be pulling together for the common good, casting aside personal aspirations,  in favour of uniting to carry out the wishes of the majority of the whole of the UK who voted to Leave. By doing so, they'll be far more capable of extricating us from the manacles of the EU on terms that will be beneficial for us yet retaining the necessary friendly relationships with the EU, at least whilst they still exist ! Corbyn must resign, Wee Nicola must accept the democratic vote of 17 million who voted "leave", and not let the  less than 1 million Scots who voted "Remain" cloud her judgement - after all, she cannot ignore the fact 40% of Scots voted to "Leave" as well - at her peril she dismisses their democratic wishes. What is now needed is a clear voice of authority that states that whatever any personal opinions (or aspirations), the British people are UNITED in their will to take Great Britain forward into a stronger, safer future - are you listening Jeremy, Nicola & PM elect ? John (JKW)

June 30, 2016

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June 30, 2016

I just don't rule anything out. Merkel said there would be no meetings in darkened rooms, she might say that in public but will it stop her doing it in secret, I am not so sure. Her No. 1 priority is rightly Germany and it's economy and job security. Any countries leader should do anything they can to get their country the best deal they can and if that means secret meetings then so be it IMO. So Gove has thrown his hat in the ring which has made Boris bottle it and meantime the Labour debacle continues.  Is it time for a genuine coalition government coming together, putting aside party politics, with the most capable MPs from all political parties forming a coalition government to negotiate our exit. Will it happen, probably not. Meantime the rhetoric will continue..........as we all know talk is cheap and easy we need leadership and a strong team and I don't think any one party can provide that.

June 30, 2016

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June 30, 2016

Sitting here in Ireland hearing the Irish praising the SNP talking about their refusal of the U.K. Referendum result and wanting out BUT they're also worried that a large percentage of their exports are purchased by the whole of the U.K. this a confusing time as they also have over 300 k Irish citizens living in the UK . Now Boris has pulled the plug on his leadership ideas ,Corbyn is a dead man walking me thinks . So as we say they ( the leaders of all parties in the UK ) need to knuckle down get a good policy on the EU exit and bring the great country of the U.K.  peoples together and put all their personal ambitions in the bin till everything is settled in and the dust has settled,then at a future date have a General Election to keep the recovery going . But as Frankie/David/John have posted we are in for interesting times ahead and we need level heads plus a coalition Government wouldn't go a stray .weres Mistic Meg when you need one .

June 30, 2016

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June 30, 2016

I personally don't think a coalition government is a good idea because it would cause even more in fighting than we have now, and that's saying something! What is needed is a strong,even autocratic leader who will dominate both at home here and at the negotiating table in Brussels - the nearest even remotely approaching that description ( apart from WNS!!) is Theresa May who, if elected as PM, might just pull it off. John (JKW)

June 30, 2016

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June 30, 2016

May now has to win. Gove has lost any chance of becoming PM in my opinion. He stabbed his close friend DC in the back over Brexit along with BJ and then after clearly agreeing a pact with BJ then turned on him at the 11th hour. I never rated Boris that much  but he had considerable support from within the Tory ranks, those supporters will not forgive Gove and will scupper his bid to be PM. The real shame is Gove could have been really good for the country had he kept his nerve and played with a straight hand! May has sat back and wisely kept a dignified distance from it all  she will now likely reap the benefits of doing so. But hey, who knows what will happen, almost everything I have hitherto predicted has been wrong so all we can do is to sit back and watch the drama continue to unfold. Coalition? Corbyn, Sturgeon, May(?) and A N Other  Lib/Dem ..........or any combination thereof.......can't see that happening.  There again,like I said, I have been wrong about most other issues on this matter!

July 1, 2016

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July 1, 2016

I think Theresa May has played an ace card in her 'launch' speech yesterday.  She basically told all Tory MPs vote for me and there won't be a General Election. Now given my cynical view that they are all self serving barstewards those who are worried or don't want to risk losing their seat (probably most of them) will vote for May so she will win easily.  Of all those who are in contention she seems the most credible IMHO.  Interesting that three of the contenders were all born north of the border. Liam Fox was actually my mother-in-laws next door neighbour for a few years in the 90s when he rented a cottage in Nenthorn near Kelso in the Borders.

July 1, 2016

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July 1, 2016

Just goes to show folks, there is no loyalty in government ranks, of whatever colour their banner may be. Each and every one of them has only his or her success in mind at all times. At this time especially, let us cast our minds back to the Somme, where many thousands of allies and enemy died, there may well have been arguments and fallings out between members of any of the units involved, where they may not have talked to their own comrades through little arguments, and never spoke to those who they had fallen out with. However, on day one of the Somme battle, these arguments and tiffs will have been forgotten, as they needed to help each other, and protect each other at all costs. A characteristic which our MP's do not share. they are out for themselves, and devil take the others. And these moronic MP.s are running for their own advancement, NOT the good of friends and neighbours, Shame on the lot of them the spineless, moronic and self centred bunch of backstabbers. Where are the REAL friends this country needs right now, as it did during the Somme battle all those wasted lives ago.... I would not give ANY MP's the time of day right now, they deserve NOTHING but our disgust at their childish self centred behaviour.

July 1, 2016

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July 1, 2016

Tom, you echo my sentiments entirely! Politicians just as inept and self centred, just as greedy and ambitious as today's cabal of MPs sent those brave souls into hell holes such as the Somme. We simply don't learn from history because time and time again  greed and envy, ambitions and a lust for power engulfs the very people we trust to lead and care for us. I am sick of all the lies, the back stabbing et al. We are where we are, we need to present a strong and united front to the Eurocrats who are sat gleefully applauding the UK political fiasco holding it up as a prime example of why others should not hold a referendum to leave their skanky club! Only when we have formed a new, strong and capable Government will we be in a position to ensure we get the best possible exit terms. A weakened Government in disarray will be eaten up and spat out onto the political dung heaps of Europe. I have heard enough sh*t from all sides of the argument and political spectrum these past few days to last a lifetime. Let's cut to the chase, get May into the PM's office, consign  BJ and Gove to the outer reaches of the distant back benches, throw Corbyn into the "tried hard, failed abjectly" abyss, tell Nicola to start thinking about the NATIONAL (UK) wide interests  and get on with protecting our position as a sovereign nation.


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