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Women in the front line
July 10, 2016

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Women in the front line

July 10, 2016

This is getting boring David this about the 3/4th post of yours I agree completely with ,why well my family has personal experience of a female joining the army ,my oldest daughter . I'd got her fit ,runs gymn swimming you name it before she went south , her problem was she's 5 foot 2 inches and on her best day she was 8 stone , after 12 weeks or so she was hospitalised through her small frame/skeleton not able to take the pounding of basic training ( this was 25 years ago too) a medical discharge,a large payment bye bye . So if our current female is able to pass the BFT etc and have her womb removed to stop the monthly cycle yep oh an carry a guy like Jack Hughes a 100 meters or and yomp across the hills of Scotland/Sennebridge for days carrying 60/70 lbs of kit ???? Do I think woman will complete this type of training NO, yes we have had some very brave woman in Afganistan occasionally in the front line doing the job they were employed for BUT full time frontline soldiers NOT a chance in hell . Maybe the powers that be think they can get soldiers on the cheap with a difference of gender pay ??????

July 10, 2016

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Women in the front line

July 10, 2016

It must surely be just a method of boosting overall numbers in the Army because , for all the reasons already expressed, females really aren't capable of carrying out the full range of duties required of a front line soldier. I know there are some women  who think they're strong / good enough, but they usually "bat for the other side" & would be more trouble than they're worth in combat situations ! I certainly think there's a place for females on the front line providing medical or logistical services, but as crewpersons or  infanteers it's a definite NO-NO in my opinion. John (JKW)

July 10, 2016

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Women in the front line

July 10, 2016

John I love your undying adherence to political correctness apropos 'batting for the other side' and I agree it is a likely ploy to try and boost numbers under the guise of equality. It's a "sit back and wait for the flak situation" now I guess!

July 10, 2016

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Women in the front line

July 10, 2016

Yep this is for recruiting numbers ,but what I can't understand is that my great nephew has a 1st Hon degree in electrical engineering and has been excepted by the RN for nuclear subs ,he's has been accepted for a commission visited various naval establishments and is now waiting for a joining date . The problem is this process has taken nearly 12 months and still no date , as John will remember our day as recruiting SNCO's you were pressured to get bums into Sutton Coldfield for training etc ,now it seems they want an Army/Navy/Airforce but don't want to recruit for them ,or am I mistaken?????

July 10, 2016

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July 10, 2016

The trouble is that these Civvy MPs and rulers in the MoD do not understand that the best form of training is to be Corps orientated, and not the All Arms together which starts off the training of recruits these days. It is the best, nay, ONLY way to instill unit pride from day one, not after several months. After all, to do their job, each arm is full of their own different requirements to learn well and confidently. Our leaders seem to think that recruits can easily absorb all sorts of info/actions they had never heard of before joining up, but some things are arm based, which not all types of new recruits need to know. May the Lord help anyone who has to learn things he/she can forget once they get to their own unique "arm of service" it could well be not needed ever again. But there again, I could be wrong..... And do not start me on females in front line combat units.

July 10, 2016

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Women in the front line

July 10, 2016

Further to the above, I recommend a book I read a couple of weeks ago about "Tank Men". It shows and describes in full detail the injuries tankies can and do suffer in combat. There are not only descriptions of injuries, but up close photos of the obliterated tanks and their crews. It made me think who the hell would volunteer for such a combat unit, until I realised that I had in the 1960's, but never met that problem. The book is called "Tank Men" by Robert Kershaw, and is truly amazing in its content and accuracy. Not a book for the faint hearted I must say. I do not think many people, whatever sex, would relish having injuries such as those described in detail in this book, but it would almost certainly make the ladies think before joining such conflict. It certainly made me think. Men losing parts of their bodies is one thing, but the same happening to a young lady would be catastrophic to say the least. And I am NOT being sexist saying this, it is a fact of life, I just do not like the idea of young ladies being so badly injured in combat, or for that matter in any walk of life. I do not believe that my comments here will be accepted as honest, and not anti female in any way, but some may think I am wrong. It is the circumstances of combat, and not the individual ladies in any way. Accidents in civvy street are one thing, but combat is something else. Combat is intentional.

July 23, 2016

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July 23, 2016

The Scottish and North Irish Yeomanry (SNIY) based in Redford are to be the first front line regiment to offer positions to females from November this year. The Army will then review the SNIY front line troops 6 months later before rolling the new programme out throughout the RAC. Other front line units, the infantry, RMs, RAF Regt et al will follow suit by the end of 2018.

July 23, 2016

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July 23, 2016

This could mean the 1st female front-line combat troops could be wearing the Grey Beret !! However, with the Army's own assessment that less than 5% of the 7000 females currently in service could pass the fitness test I don't reckon there'll be a mad rush to volunteer ! John (JKW)

July 24, 2016

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July 24, 2016

I for one can not see why females would even consider front line close combat roles, these front line combat scenes are terrible for anyone to have to face, the injuries and deaths are never clean in their result of impact against the human body. Having the females in close support ( not front line) may be acceptable, but not the front line blown to pieces with all over the place type of injuries/death of many pieces. Armoured combat vehicles will produce dreadful injuries to the enemy crews on the front line, not the thing for ANY soldier, but to be abhored by the crews. And how would their mothers and fathers feel about having a few burnt bits, or NO body to remember their daughters by? NOT ON.

July 25, 2016

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July 25, 2016

I may be getting old and it is about time the equality subject allowed the weaker ( notice) sex to also have the right to "die" for their country instead of being collateral damage casualties . Yes the modern generation are bigger stronger and possibly live longer than us like we are from our parents,I'm not going to make the usual jokes about the fairer sex I'll leave that for our serving soldiers who have to live with this decision . (Oh what the hell do you honestly believe that the first upgrade to a turret won't be a hair dryer ????) You guys remember our days in the colours and how we depended on each other to complete the job we were given , yes a female can complete certain tasks and do it very well BUT combat ,frontline no way .

July 25, 2016

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Women in the front line

July 25, 2016

I may be getting old and it is about time the equality subject allowed the weaker ( notice) sex to also have the right to "die" for their country instead of being collateral damage casualties . Yes the modern generation are bigger stronger and possibly live longer than us like we are from our parents,I'm not going to make the usual jokes about the fairer sex I'll leave that for our serving soldiers who have to live with this decision . (Oh what the hell do you honestly believe that the first upgrade to a turret won't be a hair dryer ????) You guys remember our days in the colours and how we depended on each other to complete the job we were given , yes a female can complete certain tasks and do it very well BUT combat ,frontline no way .

July 25, 2016

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July 25, 2016

Bob, Repetition is not accepted, as above 2 examples show, or are you  doing the Irish bit of "To Be Sure, To Be Sure"??? Or more frighteningly, have you developed a brain stutter??? Or is it me being cross eyed???

July 25, 2016

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July 25, 2016

Didn't do dat hic ,it was a leprechaun

July 26, 2016

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July 26, 2016

Bejazus, the little divils get everywhere.....

July 27, 2016

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July 27, 2016

I was sitting in my lounge and across the room was an old picture of yours truly standing beside my chieftain on the plains of Canada with my young crew ,and a thought came to mind about having a woman in the crew with how we interacted half naked around the bivi area even to craping off the back deck when in hides . No I just can't see it happening ,not with the closeness of being a crew out in the ooloo,but if does happen she better have big booooobs


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