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March 7, 2016

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Army Pension

March 7, 2016

For those, like me, in receipt of the Army Pension, earned after a total 25 years service (and heavily taxed !)  you need to be forewarned that there'll be NO INCREASE this year - on phoning the Department today to ask, I was told in a very apologetic manner that current rates have been "frozen".

I don't remember hearing / seeing any announcement on this, obviously keeping it very quiet to avoid any publicity. When the Armed Forces were "flavour of the month" during the conflicts with Iraq, Afghanistan, even in NI, it was politically expedient to trumpet how the Forces were looked after with pay rises & pension increases - do we need another war to get an increase !?!

John (JKW)

March 8, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
Army Pension

March 8, 2016

John we are the lucky generation of ex service personnel ,since the 70,s guys/gals who did 12years or more service can have a pension,ok it's only 12 or 15 etc of 22 years at the rank you were when leaving the service . Now here's the glitch,you have to apply as its not mandatory unless you do so,and only at the age of 60 (if still alive) it's all down to passage of information. There are also some guys on disability pensions that will pay towards the costs of a funeral ( about 2k) not to be sniffed at, as funeral costs rise . My dad did 22years in the Navy ,you know WW11 and all ,retired 1949 as a petty officer on 30 shillings a month ,I suppose everything is relevant 30 bob was good when a couple of quid was a normal salary,but through his war service he only lasted till he was 52 ,dying in the isolation ward from typhus/diseases caught being a POW in the Far East ,his pension died with him ,were as ours now ( ?%off) can be drawn by our spouse . Yes the MOD won't advertise the standing still of pension to ex members ,could imagine what the Corbyn lot would do giving military increases in pension,there's another thought why give an increase when we have aircraft carriers without planes ,or tank regiments without tanks . All I know I was lucky and my increase at 55 allowed me to retire at 57 ,mortgage paid ,but as you remember we worked Feckin hard long hours lots of absence on family life ,missed Christmas,birthdays etc and now in our golden anniversary year in our 70's have great friends from our time in service , and have been drawing my pension for 31 years and still counting.

March 8, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 684
Army Pension

March 8, 2016

Well I hope that doesn't go for all public sector pensions as we have 5 between us¬! As for Bob's point about widows being able to draw pensions of their late husbands I believe it is only 50%, I might be wrong. I can't recall receiving any notification of annual pension changes from the NHS, The MOD, the State Pensions Dept or anyone for some time now, we always used to get a letter telling us how much the pensions would be increased by. As an aside Veronika applied for her German pension, filled everything in and got a letter saying it had been deferred because she fell into the category of  German women who had had their age entitlement raised, bit like what happened here. Anyway, she waited till she reached the new age and reapplied, got told as it was a "new" application she had to start all over again. We did this and when we were in Germany last year we visited her pensions HQ in Muenster and a very nice official did it all for us on his PC while we waited. He even told her how much she would get, which wasn't enough to have a good time on! Anyway she waited a few months and then received a letter saying the electronic application carried out by THEIR official was insufficient and she received a 14 page form to fill in. I got hold of it, scribbled in German what a load of wazzocks they all were and told them to stick it where the sun don't shine as we were not filling in any more paperwork and I would be contacting our PM to speak to Frau Merkel (some chance that would happen!!).  Needless to say I didn't!! 2 months later her German pension was paid into our joint UK bank account. One month after that she received a recorded letter from Germany asking her to verify she was still alive and failure to do so would result in her pension payment ceasing! We filled the form in and sent it back with a tongue in cheek, dated, photo of Veronika on holiday in Cyprus as proof she was still alive, well at that point anyway!, It must have sufficed as the pension is still being paid and will be increased by 2.5% this coming FY. It isn't JUST here that scheisse happens!!

March 8, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
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Army Pension

March 8, 2016

Never bothers me.... I am too young to get one!!!  BOOM, as JKW says...

March 9, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 684
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March 9, 2016

Ah, Tom, but do you know what JKW means with "BOOM"? No, before you ask, I don't!! Perhaps it's a secret that only the initiated know? I have asked him to explain, one can but live in hope, so come on John spill the beans. If it is an acronym I will have a go at working it out!! Bugger Off On Monday?

March 9, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
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March 9, 2016

Or perhaps "Better Off On Mars"  (and that is not the Mars Bar.....) No doubt next time JKW wakes up he will enlighten the uninitiated among us, you and me included!!

March 9, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 24
Army Pension

March 9, 2016

I hate to be the bearer of "DOOM" not "BOOM" but anyone on an Army, or Civil Service pension will I believe not get an increase in their pension as any rise is based on the rate of inflation in Sept 2015. So tough luck. If you are lucky enough to be an O.A.P. you are in line for 2.5 % . YIPEE.      Ted

March 10, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
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March 10, 2016

Wow Ted 2.5%  Las Vegas here I don't come !!!!!!!!( no more doom my pacemaker can't take anymore)

March 10, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
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March 10, 2016

Wow Ted 2.5%  Las Vegas here I don't come !!!!!!!!( no more doom my pacemaker can't take anymore)

March 10, 2016

Joined: July 15, 2014
Posts: 51
Army Pension

March 10, 2016

It is surprising the number of my work colleagues who are surprised to hear that I pay tax on my army pension and indeed that I paid tax on my army salary during my 25 years service. I continually have to point out that we paid UK income tax no matter where we were stationed. I think they thought service personnel were like Starbucks or Amazon!!!!! They also think we got free food and accommodation. I didn't bother to go into the details of this only being the case when on exercise. How lucky we all would have been if we hadn't had to pay and are continuing to pay our taxes. PS JKW's reference to "BOOM" is about his new bessie mate Jurgen Klopp :)

April 12, 2016

Joined: October 27, 2014
Posts: 24
Army Pension

April 12, 2016

I have an army pension from 1980. As I divorced in 83  my now wife of 30 years will get nothing from my pension, that I consider is totally unfair and should be changed. The forces Pension Society were trying to get this changed but to no avail I believe.

April 13, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 684
Army Pension

April 13, 2016

You are absolutely right Gary, on a similar note the rule that means army widows, other than war widows, lose their half of their deceased husband's pension if they remarry was also challenged by the same organisation and not changed I believe. I think the Govt hides behind the non contributory nature of armed forces pensions to justify their meanness.

April 13, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
Army Pension

April 13, 2016

Frankie, I wish I was Starbucks or Amazon boss, on one count (of being filthy rich) but I could not face friends or even strangers if I was, due to their underhanded way of paying VERY limited tax. I am though, proud of being poor but honest... More than we can say for them...The only trouble is that these multi national and big domestic firms are aparently above the law. Or at least THEY think they are. If their shops are in UK they should pay the going rate of tax charged in the UK. And as for stopping the pension of wives of servicemen in the situations as you state above, it is diabolical, and should be on a par with civilian wives. As a total change of subject, I recently read a military book, "Tommy Atkins" by an Australian author, John Laffin, about the treatment of HM Armed Forces from the 15th century onwards, to about 1902. Gruesome mainly, on pay, food, accommodation, clothing, weapons , wives, and general punishments in HM Forces at that time. And the outstanding thing is that despite all the hardship, the military carried on doing their duty, sorting out all our troublesome naighbours and those further afield. Glad I was born when I was!!!!

April 13, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
Army Pension

April 13, 2016

PS: I see that our good friend Bob R is having finger trouble again, in his note  #5 msg above, and 6 following. He should go back to drinking real lemonade, not alcofroll.

April 14, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
Army Pension

April 14, 2016

Tom your becoming a clairvoyant on the loopy juice , being on satellite broadband when weather is crap the connection is very sloooow ,so I tap reply once too often ,but hey hoo ,back to wee gee board .

April 14, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
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April 14, 2016

Bob, I only commented on your repeated msg just to let you know that most of us, including me, do it ourselves without realising. I am not perfect, and I would hate to be perfect anyway. It would be too much like hard work.  


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