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August 31, 2017

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Brexit Bill

August 31, 2017

Some may recall a while ago I and one or two others wrote how we felt the lack lustre, abjectly miserable election campaign 'fought' by TM et al would adversely impact on our Brexit negotiations. We wrote that we would be viewed as a weakened entity and would likely pay a price for that. I am really peed off to have to admit we were right. The EU chief negotiator said today we are failing to honour our financial commitments made before we opted to leave the EU. What he really means is we are questioning the ridiculous £80-100 billion exit bill they demand which they expect us to pay without a quibble. Our already weakened position is further undermined by Corbyn's latest interference apropos a 4 year 'lead out' of the single market aspect of our EU membership, a complete 'volte face' on his hitherto position on that matter. The EU thinks it has us over a barrel so to speak. It blusters and postulates convinced we will roll over and does so because it thinks we have a weak, disjointed and ununified Government. A Government beset with in factional fighting and egotistical backstabbing. Every single media 'revelation' of yet another 'government source' relaying contradictory messages from with Government is grist to the mill for the smug and smarmy EU negotiators. I believe we do have to honour reasonable  financial commitments we actually signed up to before we decided to Brexit. But that commitment doesn't extend to ridiculous, fly by night costs dreamt up by EU fatcats on the basis they had once been talked about prior to our decision to leave. If we cannot agree a fair and reasonable 'divorce settlement' then we should walk away from the table completely in my opinion. To kowtow to the farcical financial demands as the precursor to further negotiations would not only be a fiscal folly but would also clearly indicate we are ripe for the plucking in every other aspect of the exit deal. David Davis, in answering the allegation we were reneging on honouring our financial commitments should have replied, 'there is no honour in presenting the UK with trumped up, ridiculous and far fetched exit bill that is actually a penalty for daring to leave rather than a fair charge for what we committed ourselves to'. C'est la Vie as they say!!!

 

 

 

September 1, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 1, 2017

With out a French saying David ,and with the commission demands of as you say a "ridiculous " amount to leave their club ,there is a famous British saying that a certain guy in our history put his "2 fingers up ". The more I see the posturing of the head negotiatiors demands,the more I feel that it's going to make our only option but to walk away . Looking at these commission politicians who are not national so they are there on the whim of the EUROPEAN Union and not the voters ,soft jobs in their twilight years ,and trying to BLACKMAIL the U.K. into paying for upto 7 ( yes 7) years into the future. We in the real world know the figures on Import/Export to EU countries from the U.K. so there would be large problems in the motor industry,agriculture,to mention a few ,with Fox trips around the WORLD making agreements for trade and TM in India/Japan it seems the government is doing what we'd expect. They have a plan for Irelands border ,remembering my time back on the Kilo crossing the controls of this problem will be hard work especially now we might have Direct Rule again thanks to Sinn Fein demands on the Irish language. With only 18 months before Brexit the Commission has to get real or the 2 fingers could be used again .

September 1, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 1, 2017

I personally reckon the Government are planning well for Brexit - Barnier is full of his own importance & trying his best to appear to be the " saviour" of the EU with his ludicrous settlement demands and delaying tactics. He tells us to " get  serious" about negotiating - cheeky sod ! The media and Corbyn are also obstacles, and TM's assertion that " No deal is better than a bad deal", roundly criticised by many at the time, is looking not only a possibility, but the best option. It'll not only save us a fortune, we'll soon be able to get good trade deals, and not only prove to the EU that we will not be bullied or pushed around, but hold our heads up high with British pride. The media and all political Parties should, as when we were last at odds with Europe (WW2), get behind the Government and support them in their aim to pursue the democratic will of the people. John (JKW)

September 2, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 2, 2017

My thoughts too John ,they (EU) keep telling us to get serious BUT all they want is money. Just pass the exit bill through parliament and go and then let them come to us for a trade deal .

September 2, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 2, 2017

We IMPORT 53% of our goods from EU countries. We EXPORT 44% of our goods to EU countries. Nuff said!!

September 11, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 11, 2017

Facebook has now decided that the EU owes 9 and half billion to the United Kingdom and we owe nothing ,mmmm interesting. There is a list of monies that the UK over the years has contributed to said EU Bank for various loans to EU countries during the 2008/10 cock up . Now Mr Barnier might stop demanding that divorce bill payment or am I being given "False" news ????

September 11, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 11, 2017

I don't know how to tell you this Bob but I guess someone has to. The likelihood that the EU will pay us to leave the Union is about as likely as Trump paying any taxes. Lol.  There are 3 certainties in life; taxes, death and a big Brexit bill. The EU has to make the whole concept of any member state leaving it so unpalatable as to make it a non starter for any country contemplating following our example and waiting to see the outcome before making any final decision.  I personally doubt we will arrive at a figure acceptable to both sides without arbitration unless, and I really hope it doesn't happen, the UK capitulates. A 'walk away' scenario sounds attractive on the surface but I absolutely expect the UK will do everything possible to agree fiscal exit terms. I personally believe we do have a commitment to clear a small exit bill, as do the bank of legal and financial experts David Davis has  supporting him. But the figures being bandied around by Barnier et al are just stupidly ridiculous. The real problem is the EU's insistence on an agreed exit bill before trade deals etc are discussed. The more they hold that line the more likely a 'walk away' becomes likely.

September 11, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 11, 2017

I am still of the opinion that you may pay to go into a club, be it golf, night, whites, and most other clubs, and while you are a member there will be a subscription of sorts, ie; a membership fee, but I cannot  be a party to the thought that you pay to leave the the  aforementioned clubs. Yes I know about penalty clauses, but as David said, the figures being bandied about are ridiculous. It should be remembered the  the knife cuts both ways. Now to the pay cap being lifted for the select few, it cannot be more obvious that once again government are attempting to bribe the police and prison officers, perhaps I am being cynical, but both of these organisations will be the first to feel the brunt of things when riots of any sort start, let us see what Wednesday brings. It really does beggar belief that they say there is no magic money tree, I would just like to know when a decision is taken ie; the D U P, £1 billion, and I know it is not nice what is happening ref hurricane Irma but suddenly another £36million is found, mean while the security services in this country have been decimated, the NHS is being starved of money, the nursing profession have 40,000 thousand vacancies for nurses and the rate they leaving at leaves a shortfall of over 500 a week somebody needs to get a grip before the position becomes untenable, there is also a shortfall in recruitment to the Armed Forces, cannot get the staff used to be a joke for inefficiency,  not any more.

September 23, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 23, 2017

Not much to say about TM's speech in Florence on Brexit ,if anything I'm a bit disappointed that there is no " PLAN  B " . Then again TM could be offering €20 billion to get Junkers/ Barnier crowd talking Brexit expectations of the EU , with trade borders people etc . From info coming on Facebook and other social media the WTO tariffs are 4 and half % ,were the EU is 8% ,the EU is only 15% of the world markets ,there is also the old Commonwealth countries being more affluent than 40 odd years ago when Ted Heath dumped them . Yes we need to able to do business with Europe,but if we hadn't voted Brexit we'd be getting ready for a EU armed forces,ditching the pound for the euro,and having Brussels control all our finances with no say on "what or when " on taxation. The government are not on the ball with planning a positive future,too many "Remoaners" in position , too many arguments from the wannabes in Europe,keep the pot boiling trying to have a second referendum. We all know that the United Kingdom has had sterner challenges in our history from the French,Spanish,Germans over the centuries , now we need a leader to take back our sovereignty from Brussels and if need be " GO FOR IT " and let the Socialist European Union fester in its own juices the other side of the channel.

September 25, 2017

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Brexit Bill

September 25, 2017

I do NOT understand how the EU can demand anything from us, so why are we NOT out of the hands of the unelected bunch of morons who supposedly run the EUek? We ow them nothing, Our forebears fought to save not only the UK from Nazi domination, but the very European twits who think they can totally control us, and receive a hefty departure payment for the honour. We owe them nothing. so TM should just tell them to go forth and pick on someone else for a change. Better still, get leader Trump to nuke them.......  THEY owe the UK billions and billions . Moan over, going for a few pints now, before EUck ban us from a little tipple or more....

November 29, 2017

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November 29, 2017

The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation and the rest of the media,not forgetting Sky news have had a wispa that Teresa May has blinked and will pay €50 billion for the talks to go to the next stage. Yes folks we ( that's the United Kingdom are going to pay ) wow to think what €50 billion could do for our kids let alone us old grey heads. The only worry I have is that once they've got their money( our money) that Junkers and co will give the United Kingdom a very bad deal ( as if paying €50 billion isn't) . The very thought of paying your fare for 40 odd years ,and now you want to get off the bus going to Never Never Land you still have to pay a not too small amount of cash. NO,NOT ever ,if this government gives in to this blackmail then that would be the worst deal EVER ,let them give a bill for what we've signed upto,cross the T's and check the Dots then if anything is owed pay it after the deal is done ,but for fecks sake don't pay up front. That would be ( I'll let you say what it is) ????

November 29, 2017

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November 29, 2017

The Government has been outplayed. A Labour MP summed it up in Parliament today, "they have gone from we're paying nothing to where do we sign." BUT, despite the alleged higher  divorce bill offer being made, hardly had the optimism of moving to trade deal talks been digested before the EU placed yet more demands. I truly believe this will be the pattern of all future negotiations. The EU will wring us out. 45 million Euros over 40 years ISN'T that much in real cash terms but it is the principle, the scene has now been set, I fear we are heading for the wrack!! I hope I am wrong!!

November 30, 2017

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Brexit Bill

November 30, 2017

Considering approx. £100 billion is spent on / by the NHS every year, then 50billion Euros (not MILLION David !) over 40 years isn't that much to pay (bearing in mind depreciation will account for much of it), to get out of the grasping clutches of the EU. Unfortunately we had committed to various (& numerous) "projects" over the coming years before thoughts of Brexit were even considered, which is what the so called divorce bill is about - the EU feel we should honour those commitments, whereas the guy in the street ( us !) believe that once "you've left the club" then your dues are paid up to date. No doubt the "bean counters" will have fully costed our undertakings and worked out  what is feasible to offer in order to exit with grace & dignity, in the hope of  expecting  similarly fair trade deals in return. What is equally, if not more, difficult to solve is the problem over the island of Ireland - the South threaten to veto any proposal if not going their way, whilst the North threaten to withdraw their  (much needed) support for the Government if we pander to the  EU & the South regarding the border. Politics - damned if you do, damned if you don't ! It would seem whatever TM does she cannot win - bet she curses Cameron for holding the Referendum !! John (JKW)

December 10, 2017

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December 10, 2017

I read somewhere that worrying is like sitting in a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but gets you nowhere. The pictures of TM scurrying into an RAF  plane at dark o'clock in the morning to meet EU imposed deadlines initially angered me but then I decided to have a rethink. I started to rationalise matters, I began to appreciate there are two sides to every coin, that there was always going to be a divorce bill, that the Irish border issue had to be sorted one way or the other and the rights of EU nationals living here and ex pats living abroad were inexplicably bound up together and needed clarification going forward. Umm but what about the next phase, the really difficult bit regarding trade deals?   It's all one big headache, one worry after another and then I reminded myself of  that saying I mentioned in my opening sentence and a bright light shone ( metaphorically speaking cos it was daytime but you get the picture) anyway I suddenly realised none of it matters. There's no point in getting upset about things, no point in worrying, no point in getting angry. And the reasons for my optimism? Well firstly, we peons, we mortal souls of no consequence can't change things anyway. Secondly and more importantly it will all work out in the end. It has to, for the sake and future of both sides. There will continue to be masses of media induce hyperbole, loads of teeth gnashing, veiled threats and counter threats, lots of accusations and finger pointing and then, and then they will agree on a plan that no one likes, that everyone finds fault with and everyone blames on soneone else. BUT, we will be free! Yes I know the EU court thing runs for another 8 years post Brexit but it don't really affect any of us. So I am going to get up in the attic and bring down my rocking chair, I'm going sit on it and pour myself a Remy Martin, for medicinal purposes of course, and wipe the whole shitty, annoying, balls aching Brexit from my mind. Put that in yer freaking pipe and smoke it Messrs Barnier, Juncker et al.

December 11, 2017

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December 11, 2017

Just read with interest ,rocking chairs and a Good brandy good idea but a Jameson would suit me . Now Brexit has moved the important stage of trade in the new year. My thoughts are if they (UK) don't get a good deal on trade everything that's been agreed so far goes out the window,Brexit bill and Irish border for a start . Looking logically at the talks so far all the EU negotiations have raised objections from various members of parliament and Labour giving in to all demands as long as the European has power with their courts and we are in the single market mmmmmm. Anyway let's see what the New Year brings for entertainment.

December 12, 2017

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Brexit Bill

December 12, 2017

Depending on the newspaper (or more likely, the headlines) you see, the more confusing the Brexit saga appears. The Guardian ( left of Attila the Hun), the Mirror (staunch Labour), The Times (always thought that was a Tory 'paper - wrong !), & of course, the London Evening Standard with Bitter Osborne as i/c, ALL snipe at any hint of success over negotiations, whilst the Mail (obviously Tory) heralds each step as a major breakthrough and the Express (notionally Tory) ignore Brexit in favour of warning of Armageddon with the weather or that aspirin is good / bad for you (depends on the day of the week !). No wonder the electorate is not only confused but jarred off with the whole thing - let's just get out, we can stand on our own two feet. John (JKW)  


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