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Brexit Negotiations
June 25, 2017

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Brexit Negotiations

June 25, 2017

We should just tell them "We are leaving NOW, and not in a few years. We are a sovereign nation in our own right, and only WE can say when we leave. I am so anti the EU now that I want us to leave now, and blow what the unelected morons of the EU decide. If they do not agree, we should tell them bye bye NOW, and let them stew. They dare not declare war, at any price, so tell them we are off NOW..... No ifs, buts or perhapses. Where are our leaders of yore when we need them, military and civilian, who would sort the EU out instantly??? I despair at it all. Come back all the "C's like Cromwell, Chaplin, Churchill, Conqueror (the Man not the Tank) and Charlie, my dog of years gone by.......Wishful thoughts, but needed now....

July 13, 2017

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July 13, 2017

And Boris has stated there is going to a "whistling competition " in the negotiations toooooo.

July 13, 2017

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July 13, 2017

You can add some "C" words for the EU morons, like Clowns, Confused, Claiming Concern, Cover Ups, Cretins,Cowboys and Cowgirls, Clueless, the list will be endless. I was watching Sky News just now, and one of the above types from Labour was talking through a part of his body normally in use only when using the "C" word item, named after the inventor of the porcelain object therein is located... in the bathroom, when they were discussing Brexit. He proved himself to be a true Corbyn byproduct, contradicting everything the other people on the panel were saying. He was a true idiot, talking rubbish without stopping for breath... Even a lady from the Labour faction told him he was an idiot, but the verbal SH one T emanating from said cretin never ceased. I was laughing so much I had to hold the wait button till I could stop laughing at the loon. He was typical of the genre, brainless, clueless and totally senseless. ESS AITCH ONE TEE comes to mind... God help us if the Commie Labour twerps get into power. Note to JKW, did you get any reply from your detailed info about Grenfell Towers which you put on Facebook??? I see that Corbyn has been tight lipped on this subject since your entry on F/Book....

July 14, 2017

Joined: May 12, 2014
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July 14, 2017

I am now, very sadly, of the opinion that the greatest threat to Brexit is the Tory Party. At a time when Labour is still intent on tearing itself apart the Tories could be expected to be rallying together, supporting the Brexit negotiations, staying united or at least putting on a show of being so, profiting from Labour's disarray  But no, none of it, they are sniping at each other, briefing the media and spreading dissent, split into two or more camps, arguing publicly about the single market, hard or soft Brexit and anything else that pierces their fragile egos. Brexit was always going to be a hard struggle, even for a united  Tory Government with a strong majority. The prevailing situation of a PM living on borrowed time, kept in office only because the alternative would be so much worse, a Parliament waiting to stymie any and every proposal on Brexit put forward and TM's own party at each other's throats will serve only to ensure the fatcats of the EU Commission are in an even stronger position than they ever might have been. Own goal doesn't come anywhere near to cutting it. When even the traditional Tory supporting press are becoming despondent and reporting daily negativity the situation isn't good. Pessimistic? Not really, just facing up to the sad reality of it all. It's a dog's breakfast and so much so that, were there an election and a second referendum held any time soon, I firmly believe there would be a huge likelihood that Labour would get in ( without a clear majority but would gain power) and the nation, disillusioned  and despondent, would vote to remain in the EU. Controversial I know but that's my honest opinion. Sadly.      

July 15, 2017

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July 15, 2017

Spot on David...

July 16, 2017

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July 16, 2017

I must, sadly, agree on all fronts - the latest allegation that Hammond stated "the public sector are overpaid" is another example of the in-fighting taking place. Whatever was said in that Cabinet briefing should NOT have been put into the public domain without consent from all present - clearly this was not the case, in fact IMO it was someone manoeuvring  themselves ( or a colleague) into a position to challenge for the Party leadership, by upsetting Hammond's chances of doing so, when the time is thought to be ripe to make the bid. John (JKW)

July 17, 2017

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July 17, 2017

The Tories have committed a number of absolutely appalling errors regarding Brexit. Firstly; they declared a number of 'lines in the sand' issues that were totally unnegotiable and all of which have been swept aside. Empty threats are the worst of all threats and expose weaknesses. Secondly, they went into the negotiating arena without party unity. Having been humiliated at the polls they should have acted defiantly as a united party and ensured Berlin, Paris and Brussels were under no illusions regarding that unity and strength of resolve. Instead they present as a disfunctional party riven by internal politics and power games with no concensusus opinion on the sort of Brexit we want. Today's 'revelations' that Gove was the possible source of the Hammond Cabinet leak serves only to underline how desperately at odds with each other they are. Thirdly, the negotiating team is weak and, because of the state of the party and the PM's precarious and tenuous position, has no clear mandate:  if it has it certainly hasn't  filtered through to the electorate yet. I do think we will achieve Brexit, I am however wholly unclear what final form that severance will take. I am beginning to believe we will be bound to the EU in one form or another for at least the next 5 years if not longer. The dogs breakfast is now being regurgitated daily and there seems to be no political anti emetic on the horizon.

July 17, 2017

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Posts: 685
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July 17, 2017

The Tories have committed a number of absolutely appalling errors regarding Brexit. Firstly; they declared a number of 'lines in the sand' issues that were totally unnegotiable and all of which have been swept aside. Empty threats are the worst of all threats and expose weaknesses. Secondly, they went into the negotiating arena without party unity. Having been humiliated at the polls they should have acted defiantly as a united party and ensured Berlin, Paris and Brussels were under no illusions regarding that unity and strength of resolve. Instead they present as a disfunctional party riven by internal politics and power games with no concensusus opinion on the sort of Brexit we want. Today's 'revelations' that Gove was the possible source of the Hammond Cabinet leak serves only to underline how desperately at odds with each other they are. Thirdly, the negotiating team is weak and, because of the state of the party and the PM's precarious and tenuous position, has no clear mandate:  if it has it certainly hasn't  filtered through to the electorate yet. I do think we will achieve Brexit, I am however wholly unclear what final form that severance will take. I am beginning to believe we will be bound to the EU in one form or another for at least the next 5 years if not longer. The dogs breakfast is now being regurgitated daily and there seems to be no political anti emetic on the horizon.

July 18, 2017

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July 18, 2017

Well we now know HOW the Jeremy Corbyn person managed to get the final majority in the latest General Election... It seems that someone somewhere, in government or opposition, decided that it would be fair to allow students over voting age, and in further education AWAY from home to vote in both their home town AND the residence address of their higher education establishment provided they are in lodgings/college campus where they are studying provided it is away from his family home.. This is absolutely stupid. ONE address is the law but somebody somewhere saw a possible way to get round the one person one vote.  The real leaders in charge of handling voting in the General Election  went too far when they introduced this loony law....The government must delete this anomaly PDQ if not NOW. Corbyn would then be leader only of the Government Opposition and we could feel safe from his loony ideas. And the ones who used 2 votes should be advised that they will NOT be allowed to vote in 2 locations, ever again, immediately. One person, one vote is the law. There are ways to ensure that this will never happen again. There are ways to make the change happen. Why not use birth certificates and fingerprints, for example.

July 18, 2017

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July 18, 2017

Just to add to Tom's post the students, those who voted just the once and those  who voted twice, all did so because Corbyn promised them free university study. It now turns out that was an "aspiration" and Labour has now withdrawn that offer!

July 19, 2017

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July 19, 2017

Wow, a little glow of light re the student 2 vote address, home and college. Have we got a mole from this site on to the MP's secret website ??? Ho Ho Ho.... If so, us winning a bit,,,,,,


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