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April 17, 2016

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April 17, 2016

Now we have the threat for the working class ( jobs)kids not enough places in primary schools(10000 short )Obama coming to back up DC (USA border control),mortgage rate increased(not in euro)the single market (we buy 30% more from Europe than them from us)French threats it will cost us ( already 50 billion a year and they'll let the migrants free from Calais)now we have an English icon Sir Ian Botham telling us OUT is good this I believe is with his contacts in the old commonwealth sportsmen.

So folks it's official now the count down has started, after all the hype will we be given the facts not the silly scare tactics,like the new nuclear power plant at Hinckley won't go ahead as the French company with the contract will have too much debt ( won't they have that anyway in or out) so I just wish someone would stop scaremongering. The other point is the French farmers biggest market outside of France is the UK dear dear ,if they put tariffs on our goods what would we do to theirs. There are millions of European workers in who's job rely on U K customers buying their goods and as if politicians would not want to be re elected , yes most of the silly scares are fruitless. Living as I do in an euro country which is worried that it's trade ( goods/people) with the U.K. is in jeopardy,especially as we their biggest customer for both , but again we've an agreement with the Irish Republic since 1949 that preceded the EU and that won't be effected,also were part of the Good Friday agreement on the North (IRA) again that would not be effected . Now let the people get the facts so they can use their vote for their future and hopefully they'll see through all this scaremongering!!!

April 18, 2016

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April 18, 2016

More scaremongering by the chancellor,4K a year worse off,increasing income tax ,BUT all these forecasts are for 2030ish ....seriously done to frighten the undecided,how the FECK can Osborne predict this outcome 15 years down the road when he can't do it for this year ?? So do we believe this fella who in 6 years in charge who promised we'd be have NO problem with balance of payments,and is still borrowing more than the labour chancellor who he relieved of office . The only thing I know is the richest are paying less tax now per proportion of salary than the bottom end ,that's if their paying tax at all (Panama) oops sorry David C your Blair thing is coming undone as per the Irish Independent newspaper. There's one question I ask if / when the people decide to leave will the Conservative party implode on itself with all the scaremongering on both sides ,also are the In lot using public monies that aren't available to the leave cos their the government,oh I know the answer to that "they're politicians so why not " ,more horror stories to come as we near to June 23 rd

April 18, 2016

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April 18, 2016

Absolutely, Bob

April 19, 2016

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April 19, 2016

So how long will it be before there is open warfare between the two idiots, Cameron and Osborne, and the more competent members of the present government??? I can not see how the "tall story" doom and despondency side of the present government can survive much longer, they have proved themselves to be totally incompetent of making ANY positive plans for our future. None of their recent rants about the doom and despondency waiting for us round the corner if we vote "OUT" has any sense, and no bit of it is sound reasoning so they project themselves more like pompous twits called the "two Tories leading the hoodwinked to disaster first class". I am more interested in who from the present tory MPs will take up the reins from the 2 clowns Cameron and Osborne? We need sound leaders in charge now, like never before, But who,if anyone, will raise their heads over the Tory parapet and take over? we need the real truth so we can make the correct decisions right now, not the ravings of  loonies who are trying to protect their over generous salaries, and forget the rest of us who will suffer. I think that if they get their way, and we stay in the EU, the retributions the other EU governments will reap on us will be horrendous. Let up grab the chance, and trust in the righteousness of our convictions for once.

April 21, 2016

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April 21, 2016

Unfortunately Tom there are not enough of us who have the courage to stand up for our own convictions, and openly say what we believe in, alas I fear that the Brexit side will lose because the incumbent  government will use as we have already seen they will use all the power that they have whether that be illegal or not to stay in power, regardless of what the population thinks, they have already shown that in their massive overspend in three by elections and lying to the appropriate body dealing with your allowance, per party to fight these elections, with a run out date of 12 months to lodge complaints of cheating. More of the political shenanigans that these MPs get up to. For the rest of us, if we commit a criminal act, like treason for example there is no statutory time lapse , you will be prosecuted with the full force of the law twenty years or more later. It needs the Brexit or leave campaign to get their fingers out and to show case these inaccuracies, and how messrs Cameron, Osborne, and Co can try to forecast losses 14 years in the future when they cannot even forecast they rise in unemployment over the last 3 months, or the price of oil that has risen by up to 15 pence per litre in the last three weeks depending on where you live, they have no idea what will happen in the middle east at the moment or tomorrow, or what the lunatic in North Korea will do next, or closer to home, or what will happen north of the border, I don't want to complicate matters but all I will say is not just the Panama papers, but what happened when the Panama canal was built, who lost absolutely loads of money to the tune of Bankruptcy. For me vote out of the EU, North of the border will want to stay in the EU, but push for another referendum to leave the Union, I see no ships only hardships, time for a bevy before slumber time.

April 21, 2016

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April 21, 2016

I will gladly join you in the drink you are contemplating, sounds the best treatment in these parlous times!!  Our present bunch of politicians are totally out of touch with reality. I am of the opinion that all politicians present and potential should serve time in a very low paid apprenticeship in a dirty, dangerous job, to find out about the REAL world the rest of us live in, and not the namby pamby "cannot do any wrong" mentality and upbringing our so called leaders have always had. Cloud cuckoo land, I know, but they need to do it to understand life in the real world. ps, I have finished my first alcoholic beverage of the evening, but on target for a good session I think...

April 22, 2016

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April 22, 2016

Now we have them all running down the "leave" campaign ,especially our American cousins who want to create their own trade agreement with the EU and threats of putting the United Kingdom on the back burner in trade talks. Strange how our allies are deserting us ,I suppose they have forgotten that it was the UK that went to bat for them in Iraq or Afganistan when other Europeen nations looked the other way ( must be something in the water) ,one thing though my oldest granddaughter asked was what the hell dos Obama know about the UK's grievance with the Europeen Union ?? and he should keep his nose out of our business .What did that fella in dads army say ....oh I know "we're doomed ,doomed I tell you " if we are so bad why would the Europeen Union  want us to stay ????

April 23, 2016

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April 23, 2016

One thing in answer to that question Bob, all those lovely Billions of UK pounds we send them every year, probably used to keep the non elected in the manner to which they have become accustomed. I am still voting OUT no matter what they all threaten to do to bring us to heel.

April 24, 2016

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April 24, 2016

Being in Manchester visiting the kids I've been reading the English papers and what they're take on El President Obama comments about Brexit . Yes his statement is intriguing but trying to put the boot in saying the UK would be put on the back burner if we leave , haven't we bin there since we joined the EU so what's new.The question that the British people need to answer is "do we want to control our own destiny /borders or have non elected Brussels controlling us " the latest one is that the British government can't help TATA steel as its against EU policy .....how many jobs are effected by that decision ??? .....the more dictates from Brussels the bigger the hole they're going to bury British industry in ....now is the time to say GOODBYE

April 26, 2016

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April 26, 2016

Me again ,I read and seen the Home Sec giving off about the Strasburg court stopping the UK from deporting criminals and unwanted back to their own country due their( criminals) human rights . The two faced B is complaining she can't do her job as Home Sec cause due to Europe BUT still wants to stay , am I the only one confused for  her statement ,woman speak with forked tongue , do you job kick 'em out and 2 fingers to Europe .


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