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Calais Calamity
July 29, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 29, 2015

I rarely get angry these days, it takes a lot to get me annoyed as I grow older. But when I see, read and hear about the fiasco going on in Calais I admit to becoming incensed.

The French allow us to enjoy "Juxtapositioned immigrant controls". This, in effect, means we are allowed to have immigration controls in Calais itself. SO: because the French admit they need our help, and we give it, the Home Secretary and the PM refuse to tell France  to get a grip on its illegal striking dockers and its inadequate control of the huge illegal immigrant population it has allowed to gain a stronghold in Calais.

The result, as always, is chaos for a huge swathe of southern England, tens of thousands of travellers to the Continent are hugely inconvenienced and £billions of trade goods left festering in blockaded lorries. The strikers have occupied two passenger ferries without ANY police action before or after. Meanwhile, the Calais authorities blame the whole immigrant debacle on the UK as we apparently have the most lax benefits systems in Europe. They think WE should foot the bill for the immigrants' control band security.

Well I have looked into this illegal immigrants' benefits issue and it turns out they get NOTHING. No benefits, no housing, no employment rights, NOTHING except detention.............sometimes, if the police or the courts allow it! So; today to help us resolve the matter our OWN courts have declared the UK's fast track  immigrant hearings and subsequent deportment to be ILLEGAL.

I was angry before I read that, now I am livid!!

I do not blame the immigrants. Anyone in the same position as them would try to make a better life for themselves if the opportunity arose. The trouble lies with their belief that they WILL be allowed to settle here, that the UK DOES give free money as they call it to illegal immigrants, DOES give them free housing and other benefits and they WILL have a life of comparative luxury here in their El Dorado. The truth is we spend so much of our taxes on legal immigrants and fat, lazy, drug ridden, alcoholic thieving bastards there is no money to give ILLEGAL immigrants!!

Listening to a Radio 2 phone in show today someone suggested that huge inland European confinement camps are needed, well guarded places where they are all confined. They would be fed and accommodated and kept there until they agreed to return to their countries of origin. This whole saga needs a European wide initiative to deal with it effectively. Until the would be illegal immigrants learn and understand there is no land of milk and honey, that they won't be allowed to settle here, that their journeys are a waste of time and money, they will continue to come. Until we bite the bullet and understand that only a really firm hand will be in any way effective they will continue to come here. Meanwhile we hear all the mealy mouthed words of appeasement from Theresa May explaining security at the Channel Tunnel will be increased. Too Little; Too Late! We interfered in South Sudan, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan et al and now we are paying the price, the trouble is we are so bereft of  security forces ourselves we simply cannot cope. Too add fuel to the fire our own judiciary, under the guise of applying the law, pull the rug from under our feet when we do try to deport these people.

It's a pig's ear and it will all end in tears!!

 

July 29, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 29, 2015

David,guys....this problem is world problem not just Northern Europe,talk to Australia,South Africa to think S A have over 4million,yes 4 fecking million illegal migrants.....BUT how we get the French to sort it in their country is anyone's guess ,I suppose they're happy cos the migrants want to come to the UK ,so let em go over/under the Channel.The problem the Tory government have "how to stop them if the lazy French won't " ,they have stripped the military to the bone also they are dithering with the judges cutting the ground under them...Solution easy 1)armed border patrols with shoot to kill orders,(no I don't think so) 2)declare the channel ports a military zone ,this allows military courts for deportation,(not Cheri Blairs mates) 3)sink the boats in/on the Mediterranean......okay David (Cameron)the choice is yours BUT do something positive for flecks sake before it all gets out of hand !!!

July 29, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 29, 2015

Well said David. The whole trouble is the fault of our own "Do the right thing for our middle and far eastern refugees who want a better life" brigade.Our judiciary keep telling our rulers (which the judiciary are definitely NOT!!) that these hard done to refugees MUST be allowed to enter ANY country they wish, and be fully supported in financial and residential  situations at all costs. Our lily livered politicos are totally terrified of our judges, where it SHOULD be the other way round. Judges advise, politicos rule. All these refugees should go back to their coutry of origin, then join the struggle IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY of birth, for the rights which this country of ours fought for, for centuries, against the tyrannical rulers of the time, to teach the "ruling class" of the time that their time was up.Our long dead citzens did it, and succeeded. We should ignore these left wing do gooder types, and send ALL these refugees back where they came from. And it is no good people saying that the west do not know where these people are from, the colour of their skin and the language they speak naturally (not the English they use with a foreign accent) are all the evidence we need. I am not racist, I am only stating the obvious, these migrants are NOT English or even colonial British these days, they have all been individual countries for too many years to be even a tiny bit British. Go home and sort your problems out there.... This country of ours is full. Full stop. Another ticket to hell awaiting me again, I must have over a thousand now.....

July 29, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 29, 2015

As an afterthought,our government and all other EU countries should use the reason I set out below  for NOT allowing any of them into UK and the rest of Europe........ just tell their countries of origin that we are subsidising them with money already, and they should use it to make their citizens not feel they should come to  European or ony other country which is not their country of birth. That way, the money we send these countries is only sent for them to improve the lives of THEIR citizens,in their own country.  If they disagree to this, then we should stop sending cash to these countries immediately.  But of course, our judges would declare even this illegal. But we could send them our judges as punishment, AND KILL 2 BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

David,guys....this problem is world problem not just Northern Europe,talk to Australia,South Africa to think S A have over 4million,yes 4 fecking million illegal migrants.....BUT how we get the French to sort it in their country is anyone's guess ,I suppose they're happy cos the migrants want to come to the UK ,so let em go over/under the Channel.The problem the Tory government have "how to stop them if the lazy French won't " ,they have stripped the military to the bone also they are dithering with the judges cutting the ground under them...Solution easy 1)armed border patrols with shoot to kill orders,(no I don't think so) 2)declare the channel ports a military zone ,this allows military courts for deportation,(not Cheri Blairs mates) 3)sink the boats in/on the Mediterranean......okay David (Cameron)the choice is yours BUT do something positive for flecks sake before it all gets out of hand !!!

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

I had to laugh when the papers today demanded that we should "Send in our troops to France to sort it all out"... what bloody use will all 3 of our troops be able to do to remove many thousands of refugees when the whole French nation can not remove them??? As for blaming us and our great economy, they should look at themselves, THEY are the ones who let all these migrants roam freely from the south of France all the way up to Calais without trying to stop them. Brainless morons to say the least. They blame us, the weather, the universe and the price of garlic, and not themselves. True morons. And of course, one of our 3 troops will be sick, one on leave, and the other one on a course..... God help us, we have stupid neighbours.

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

Apparently almost 10% of the army are unfit for combat, for whatever reason Tom, so you might wish to recalculate your figures! The idea of sending British troops to France is simply ludicrous and will not happen, er will it??? There is s very salient point being missed in this whole debacle. Bona fide refugees only have a right of refuge in the first safe country they flee to. They have NO rights under ANY charter, ANY  ECHR edicts or mandates,  ANY UN mandates et al to traverse a whole continent to get to the UK. They are ILLEGAL. They should be treated as such and dealt with the way illegals should be dealt with. The French are peeing about because they are a nation of British haters and cowards in my opinion. I had dealings with some of their troops during Gulf War 1, USELESS, moronic and pathetic only slightly better than the Dutch who managed to allow terrorists murder hundreds of young men and boys under their control during the Serbian crisis. La Francais? Merde, Merde et Merd!

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

What ever you said David in French I agree ,what contact I've had with the French military over the years ,from Larzac in 66 to Berlin in 78 I found that other than the "legion" them mostly foreigners were poor soldiers ,nearly s bad as the Dutch ....having a battalion in garrison Hohne ,being orderly sgt major most times escorting a Dutch soldier to there Nick ( caught selling drugs ) ..The problem now is our soldiers have seen the writing on the wall and the good ones are leaving the sinking ship!

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

Bob, have we got any troopships to take our very small Army, about all 4 of them (another 5  joined up today, but one was 85, one was in hospital long time, with an anti social disease, while the other 3 were from Russia) anywhere further than the Isle of Wight???? I have a very small plastic model of HMS Victory if that would help??? I received a really interesting email on how the US of A in Arizona are dealing with their immigrant problems right now, send me your email address to mine and I can forward it to you..

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

Bob, Regarding David's French quote, something like "SH one T...!!!" would be near in translation...

July 30, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 30, 2015

Why do these illegals not stop in France, Italy or even Greece ? They believe, rightly or wrongly, that we in the UK provide all they desire, for free. Despite Dave F's assertion that we don't give benefits/ housing etc, I still think we molly coddle immigrants too much, giving them the encouragement to persevere. To stop the "swarm" (as our PM put it, rightly IMO), the fences at Calais should be ELECTRIFIED. With clear signage (in a multitude of languages) warning of the VERY High Voltages, no one trespassing (which is what they're doing, ie, breaking the law) & becoming frazzled, can complain , can they ? In addition, in depth patrolling of the areas with German Shepherd Dogs (GSD's) would be an added deterrent - when at HMP Liverpool, housing some of the country's hardest criminals, we never had any bother when the GSD's were in attendance !! The "do -gooders brigade" would no doubt strongly object to my proposals, but they're not the ones sitting in a 30 mile tailback, or possibly losing their business through the hold ups, or being threatened by these illegals, or having to cancel their cross Channel holiday , all because of the French being so wet & useless, and our own Government pussy footing around the problem. Thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM - he'd likely charter the Euro Train to bring 'em in on a daily basis, giving them all the benefits that the last Labour Government granted !!! John (JKW)  

July 31, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 31, 2015

John, we certainly DO molly coddle the illegal immigrants but I was, like many others, under the mistaken belief that all sorts of benefits were available to them. LEGAL immigrants, like the whole of the EU, now THEY have the whole range of the British benefits system open to them  and then some due to the ECHR et al but the illegals get nothing. Sadly they still don't believe that and listen to stories that emanate about the EU economic immigrants.But, as I mentioned previously our OWN judiciary have now declared the Government's fast track deportation hearings are illegal and have to be stopped.Yesterday I read that two convicted terrorists serving long sentences for admitted terrorist crimes were successful in bringing lawsuits against the Prison services because they were put into lengthy segregation for intimidating, threatening other prisoners into becoming radical muslims. Half of the blame in all of these charades is our own fault. We are engulfed by laws and lawyers, judges and officials who are inept, who are blind to what justice actually means and who would happily see the demise of our nation. The illegal immigrants in France have NO rights under ANY law or charter to be in France or the UK. The French can't cope with them and admit hundreds ARE successful every month in gaining illegal entry into the UK. Those who ARE rounded up here then spend months in detention centres before being arraigned before special courts. THAT process will now take much longer thanks to our esteemed judges. Add into the equation most of them destroy or hide their passports so that their country of origin is obscured, plus the countries who refuse to take them back and we have a recipe for total mayhem. But, NOTHING will effectively stop these people until we become more resolute and, as JKW says, proper deterrents are put in place. Trouble is the judiciary and the ECHR  will  simply veto such moves on the grounds of human rights infringements. The awakening will only come once it is too late. Now the cry is for our armed services to step in. Yesterday's press reported the standing regular army is below the 82,000 figure the Govt asked for 3 years early due to poor recruitment and gross dissatisfaction with service life. The TA numbers meanwhile are 9000 short of the target figure for the same reasons!! You simply couldn't make it up. It seems the size and efficiency of our armed forces exponentially decreases  in line with the INCREASE in the threat to the country!!

July 31, 2015

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Calais Calamity

July 31, 2015

Guys,  If illegals do away with their passports and ID cards, then they are not citizens of the EU, by definition, and no government anywhere in the world has the right to demand that we take any of these migrant individuals. I just wish that instead of calling this mass of humanity as   "A Swarm", Cameron would always talk of them as illegals, with no connection to the UK or any other EU country. Can we in UK therefore demand that our government declare UDI right now, and then we can deal with these illegals when they try to enter UK. No valid  GENUINE pasport, "NO ENTRY" Full Stop. And tell the other continentals of EU to do the same with these spongers. I even doubt that the UN would tell us we are breaking the law.... And while we are at it, we should immediately restructure the way that people not born in this country can receive a UK passport from NOW, by Acts of Parliament?? At the same time, we insist that nobody from abroad can apply for a passport from NOW, if they are not part of our Commonwealth of UK, and not any other rag tag bunch of outsiders. I just wish Cam Gang et al would access and read these comments, for if they do not, then they have only themselves to blame if they are in receipt of hefty kicks out of office asap.

August 5, 2015

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Calais Calamity

August 5, 2015

If it wasn't so serious, this could be a laugh !

Gents.............I just had to put this up. :) 

ALERTS TO THREATS IN EUROPE:

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.



The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.



The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.



Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”



The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”



Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .



The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.



Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.



A final thought – ” Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC”.

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August 6, 2015

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Calais Calamity

August 6, 2015

Clever, factual AND funny!!

August 7, 2015

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Calais Calamity

August 7, 2015

John I thought the Italy had "engage high reverse " as the last resort but I could be mistaken.


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