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August 1, 2016

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D C’s honours bye bye list

August 1, 2016

I thought after the last 2 PM's retired that giving of honours to their friends had discontinued but it seems DC has a long list of his friends on his departure from number 10 . Yes give an honour to individuals who serve the community ,or give something to the betterment of people's life's,yes for bravery or dedicated service . Being your wife's hairdresser is not feckin on or spouting gloom and doom in a referendum ( which they lost )no way . All this accomplish's is the degrading of the honours given to true recipients who do some amazing things for the people and country ,typical Eton education for you .

August 1, 2016

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D C’s honours bye bye list

August 1, 2016

Bob, see my entry about this in the General forum, first topic.  Tom

August 1, 2016

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August 1, 2016

I lose all faith in the Honours system on every announcement of 'em when I don't get one !! John (JKW)

August 1, 2016

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August 1, 2016

John, I agree totally, the present group of  "leaders" are more like the Mickey Mouse troupe/ headless chickens  with no idea what to do, or how to do it... The people on this website could give the present encumbants a bloody good run for their money, and would very easily outperform them... (Even our old comrade, PC Dodd of guardroom fame, God bless him). I will write to the person i/c promotions and get you your correct style, your sense of duty and honesty identified, and broadcast for all to see and acknowledge. It could take a while, there are too many obstacles in the way at present. Like the EU, Frau Merkel, Wee Nic, et al. But we will succeed. PS.. I have already written to God on your behalf, to have you installed as 2/i/c Heaven... (I met him in the Dublin Packet pub in L/pool the other day, and he was asking how you are), Congrats, Tom

August 2, 2016

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August 2, 2016

John.   Don't lose heart in not getting an honour. I must have got your share as I managed an I.S.M , mind you it took me 40 years service, split between the Army & the Prison Service.

August 2, 2016

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August 2, 2016

Ted, Were you the one who was IN the nick, or working on the outside at the time?? Just asking,  all in joke, nice to hear from you again,  Tom

August 2, 2016

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August 2, 2016

Ted, I got the MISM too, whilst serving, but to be honest, it was easy to get (an application, proof of service & achievements, plus a small fee). I only applied so as  to use the certificate with my CV when job hunting (in my case, HMP ) on demob. I must admit, it seemed to impress the Selection Board - fools !! I was also entered for a BEM for services rendered during  HMP Service - I actually read the submitted citation, & although couldn't have written it better myself, it seems the powers that be weren't impressed enough, unless they're STILL thinking about it !!! It was only about 14 years ago, hence my waiting on each announcement........... John (JKW) PS Where did you serve in HMP Ted ? I was at HMP Liverpool (Walton) for 20 years - loved it, but glad I'm not serving any longer, retirement's much more peaceful !

August 2, 2016

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August 2, 2016

Well I was the recipient of a minor gong from the Order of the British Empire list, I got mine in the days when rank decided on the award of an MBE or a BEM with the former going to WOIIs and above with BEMs to the rest of the plebs. That part of the honours system has now been  superseded. But for all that I have to agree with the common thread of this subject. The honours and awards system has become a travesty, a farce and a disgraceful payback for services rendered to individuals rather than to the state or the nation! Big party donations "earn" the donors knighthoods and peerages, backscratching and ar#e licking invoke CBEs and OBEs, subservience and turning a blind eye earn perpetrators MBEs. I have no great pride in my gong, I am sure I got it because of a rotation system whereby Regiments were allowed so many medals in the various honours' lists for each rank on a rotational basis and it was our turn when mine was dished out. I have never used it in any correspondence on any CV et al and it languishes somewhere in my study in a tin that houses my other medals and some other long forgotten memorabilia. In my later NHS career I was invited by the hierarchy  to write my own citation for an honour,an invitation I declined, not out of any sense of false morals but because I simply placed no worth on the whole system of such things. Someone else did write it up and I was saved the embarrassment of refusing it when it was turned down anyway. In my experience the really good guys, those who actually deserve the recognition, rarely receive it because they do what they do without fuss, without a load of self praise and bullsh*tting and without any expectation of reward.They will tell you they are just doing their job!! DC should hang his head in shame, I honestly thought he was better than that, silly me!!  

August 3, 2016

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August 3, 2016

John ,   Like you I was also put forward for a B.E.M & like you didn't get awarded it. I think the Gate Orderly got, either  that or a do-gooder.  I'm surprised our paths never crossed during our time with H.M.P as when I finished with the Army I joined the Prison Service after initial training at Liverpool & Wakefield applied for a posting to Haverigg as I originally come from Ulverston, & there I stayed for my entire service. That's the end of my potted history.  Ted.  

August 3, 2016

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August 3, 2016

You guys did service to/ for the country well done,as I was sitting on the sidelines when the Falklands kicked off our garrison (Hohne) had our infantry (Welsh Guards) depart and there were some jobs / posts that were filled other units ,medics. The 14/20KH supplied a guy from my squadron a full corporal named Bill Bently off he went to war ,well you know the story of the Guards and a certain ship and not getting the guys off onto the beach till an air attack killed 50+ and injured many more and sunk the ship .....it seems Bill was with that company and did sterling work .....after a visit to the Palace where the MM was placed on his breast ,Bill never spoke about the happening of that day ,seemed he lost too many friends ,but is always welcome in the Welsh Guards for life. Now honours that reward bravery ,yep now that's more like it

August 3, 2016

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August 3, 2016

Your post is very true Bob, I agree with all you say, my only caveat is had Bill Bently been of a higher rank his MM would likely have been a MC. Acts of unselfishness, acts of selfless bravery and the like should not be recognised on a rank basis but should be acknowledged for what they represent on an equal footing devoid of any rank caveats.  If any grading is given to such honours and awards then it should only be based on the level of bravery, the level of selflessness of the act itself after all the VC is not based on rank. But that all aside, I have no issue with people who go way beyond the expectations of their jobs being recognised for their endeavours, I have nothing against people who spend huge parts of their lives volunteering to help others being rewarded for it, I just despise the cretins who leech onto the now, to my mind, dishonoured honours list and those who facilitate the abuse of it by dint of their high office. It's long been an issue that has rankled me as you can probably guess!!

August 5, 2016

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August 5, 2016

So now we know the full extent of DC's exit (dis)honours list. Seems £1.5 million buys a peerage, as I have previously said it is a disgrace and makes a mockery of what is meant to be an honourable institution. Then, to add insult to injury, Jeremy (Jesus) Corbyn, having publicly decried the system, having sworn he wouldn't nominate anyone for a peerage gives one (a peerage to avoid any doubt) to Shami  Chakrabati. Who, I hear some people say! Shami Chakrabati, erstwhile director of Liberty, the civil rights group, but more importantly the person chosen by Corbyn to undertake the investigation into allegations that the Labour Party is anti Semitic, which of course it is. Strangely enough Ms Chakrabati found that explicitly not to be the case and, lo and behold, receives a peerage nomination from the same  person who asked her to undertake the inquiry into his party's anti Semitic allegations almost a few days after the report is published. Given the period of time the publication of the honours and awards list takes she must have been nominated WHILE she was finalising the report!!!! Cronyism clearly rules. It is time for a radical overhaul of the whole honours and awards system, it has become a debased and wholly dishonourable system which makes it self defeating ergo achieving the polar opposite of what it is designed to do. Sadly, the truly deserving people who are enmired in the system have their own richly deserved awards tainted by it all.

August 6, 2016

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August 6, 2016

It's long been thought of as an Honours List for cronyism, but the latest nominations by DC & now Corbyn truly expose the whole farce for what it is ;  a charade, that belittles the really deserving recipients of their well deserved awards because of the sheer hypocrisy demonstrated by political leaders in nominating their favourites, without any thought or respect for the public they're supposed to represent. John (JKW)  

August 7, 2016

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August 7, 2016

Ted, I'm surprised too that our paths never crossed whilst serving in HMP. I did my NEPO training at Liverpool in April/May '87, then after the course at the college near Rugby, was posted to HMP Lewes (310 miles from where I wanted to be -  but that was typical HMP "planning"). After 6 months there, during which I badgered all & everyone for a move, I was granted a transfer to HMP Liverpool where I stayed for the next 20 years. I spent 10 years on the landings & then became an Officer Instructor in the workshops for the next 10 years (more money, less hours, and no weekends/nights/or Bank Holiday working - brill !). Mind you, despite us sending a great many scally's to Haverigg I never actually went there myself on Escort, & of course, in later years the dreaded Group 4 took over that task, so no chance then of visiting your establishment - I think it was in the middle of nowhere anyway wasn't it, not somewhere you drive past on the way to Whitehaven / Egremont (which I did once), although did see a sign directing visitors there, but I ignored that ! John (JKW)


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