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October 22, 2017

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October 22, 2017

So, the inevitable has happened according to reports. Soldiers in training who fail random drug tests will not be automatically discharged. Desperate shortages in recruits and increasing numbers of trained soldiers leaving means desperate measures are being 'forced' upon the army as they struggle to meet manpower targets. Some may say it is just  moving with the times, that most young people  in today's society will have experimented with drugs. Like many of us I was a child of the 60s, a young guy growing up in an age where it was all sex, drugs and rock and roll. When I left JLR on discharge I lived for a year in Bournemouth. LSD (acid)  and grass, uppers and downers were available on every street corner. I can honestly say I never ever tried any of it. Not even once. Most of my close friends didn't either because we were into other things!! In my experience certain types of people take drugs, weak people, addictive personalities, people who bow to peer group pressure. My point is, nothing much has changed since those days, nothing  except a growing tolerance of drugs. I believe this latest move is wrong. Recruits who show up for training with evidence of recent drug taking in their system are not what the army needs in my opinion. If they can't stop taking drugs long enough to pass  a drugs test they know will take place they are addicts in my view. Those who take drugs DURING training are an even bigger liability and potentially a danger to others, they are definitely not worthy of wearing the uniform in my view. I have no need to rehearse the reasons why people who take drugs as an everyday experience should not be in the armed forces. What a sad sign of the times this is, what a damning indictment on the military planners and the Government who have combined to make a career in the military so unpopular that such measures are needed.

October 23, 2017

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October 23, 2017

The writing was on the wall when recruiting was going a " civilian " company.

October 24, 2017

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October 24, 2017

As Bob said the writing was on the wall, but I say it was the wall many years ago, with weak kneed, grasping, I am in for me politicians, I may be to much of a martinet, but to my way of thinking drug dealers, pushers, should be taken round the back and done away with. Perhaps our so called justice system should take a leaf out of the Philipino Presidents book, to much to hope for there I think. I like you, David have never taken any of these drugs peddled and never felt the need to.

October 24, 2017

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October 24, 2017

I couldn't believe that headline indicating Class A drug use would not result in a discharge during training. So much of what we endured ( enjoyed too !) in our Army service has changed nowadays, but surely this acceptance of drug misuse is a step too far. Successive cut backs, an overall reliance on assuming ( wrongly) that TA part timers would enlist and be capable of fulfilling the role of Regulars in sufficient numbers, and the consistent lowering of standards in training & discipline has weakened our Forces to the extent I often wonder if we could really defend ourselves in a major conflict. John (JKW)

October 25, 2017

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October 25, 2017

Drugs have been around a long time ,stationed in Hohne and as SQMS I or my staff regularly inspected the wall sockets ( electric) or U bends in the washrooms for plastic bags of "weed" . We had a Dutch Army tank battalion in the garrison so this shit was easy to obtain for little money ,it was the smell that gave them away . My Sqn was fortunate to only having 2 offenders ( Colchester) and out ,but A Sqn had about a dozen idiots. I'm glad to say Amstel or Other libations was good enough for most of the Regiment.

October 28, 2017

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October 28, 2017

Further to this subject 9 submariners failed a drug test  ,thinking you'd have to drug me to go in a submarine.

October 28, 2017

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October 28, 2017

Yes I heard that earlier on the news. Both the Captain and his 2IC and two women, one an officer, have been removed for bonking and 9 sailors got caught with cocaine in  their system. That must have been a very happy submarine!! Jesting aside it is a NUCLEAR submarine for heavens sake, a freaking end of the world submarine! If those 9 submariners are discharged the Navy won't manage to crew the bloody boat never mind worry about falling standards. How on earth have we allowed things to deteriorate this far!!

October 29, 2017

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October 29, 2017

David at the moment my great nephew Luc is in training at the moment to be a nuclear engineer for subs in Scotland with another 12 men/ woman ,hopefully with his honours degree in engineering he will be commissioned.

November 7, 2017

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November 7, 2017

And there was me thinking that drugs full stop were against the law, but now the military have clearance to use the wicked weed wherever, whenever they wish during training .......... which loon agreed to that??? Drugs such as these are killers full stop, and always will be, either to the users, their victims, or both. I say give the loon who agreed to this all the drugs in one fell sweep and then see if he/she/ it sees the errors of their ways, hopefully with their demise as a result. In the first instant, jail the lunatic before ALL the idiots take full control of the world..........North Korea would probably use such drugs, but our armed forces, never......


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