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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now
December 15, 2016

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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 15, 2016

As the  under funded NHS crumbles under the burden of an ever increasing demand on its services, as social care has become almost non existent, as councils struggle to balance their ever decreasing budgets we continue to waste momentous amounts of the public purse on a daily basis. Leave aside the tens of £millions spent on funding IHAT to persecute our troops, forget for a moment the £252 million wasted on building an airport in the middle of an ocean that is too dangerous for planes to land on it, don't mention the failed plans to reduce the number of MPs to a size commensurate with most other countries similar to ours, gloss over the £10k pa pay rise MPs gave themselves last year, in fact forget all the wasted spending of the Treasury and just concentrate on the one issue, Foreign Aid. We are committed to spend 0.7 per cent of GDP on foreign aid each fiscal year.  That's about £12. something BILLION each and every year, rising year on year in line with annual inflation. That amount of money, properly invested and properly controlled, would fix the NHS and social care budgetary woes in an instant. It would also fix many other shortfalls in public services. In essence, people in this country are suffering and, in some cases, dying because of failing budgets. These people are mostly those who have paid or are still paying taxes that contribute to the overseas aid budget. It is a farcical irony that people are denied services because part of the taxes THEY pay are diverted to other countries. If that weren't all bad enough, much of the overseas aid is either wasted on absolutely stupid ventures, is misused by corrupt governments or is given to countries who are wasting their money on nuclear weapons. It is seriously time for the country to let Parliament know we have had enough of this nonsense.

December 15, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 15, 2016

Accurate and true, as always David. Why should self centred despotic governments get any money from this country of ours, since it appears that ALL this cash is pocketed by the ruling elite (??) in these countries , while their citizens get NOTHING from these payments. Stop it NOW, and use the money to repair all the damage to OUR financial abilities created by the present set-up. If you and I could do it, and succeed, WE would be in the can before we got 2 paces away from the handover. And yet crooked leaders in overseas countries can get it free gratis from us, when our finances as a nation are in the red because of the present arrangements. We should also refuse to give free medical treatment, and also welfare payments, when we are paying the bill, while these paracites get all the cash they demand. The whole situation is "them before us" and wrong, whatever these claimeants may say. It is OUR money, n0t THEIRS. We should also scrap HS2 immediately, our country does not need or want it, we are not a physically large enough country to need to travel so fast, over such short distances relatively speaking. The whole thing is a disaster, and should be stopped NOW. And if people DO need to travel at high speed, they can always FLY to their destination. The whole thing is A about F, so to speak. ( Signed, Confused and distraught.com)

December 15, 2016

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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 15, 2016

I think I've told some of this story about "aid" . For my sins back in the early 80's I was the ground support for a team of soldiers climbing a mountain in Kenya ( Mt Keyna) as there was 3 of the Regiment buried on said mountain . So being support I was tasked to resupply the team by hiring bearers etc and up and down with food etc. So I was visiting the town of Nanouky to purchase fags and soft drinks ,in one of the shops there a pile of large bags of sweet corn/flour ,being sold to the locals ,these bags were about 50 kilos and clearly marked with " Donated by the United States of America " ,these were clearly aid by the USA . We have multiple stories of corruption in third world countries ,were politicians fill their Swiss bank accounts ,again another reason why I give time not monies to charities here either in the UK or Ireland through corruption . Now what David and Tom posted mmmmmm I'm in complete agreement ,we have major problems here now in NHS and other social welfare to worry about some one having a child they "no chance in hell " of feeding or educating .

December 15, 2016

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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 15, 2016

As you all probably know, I've long been an advocate of slashing the Overseas Aid Budget for exactly the reasons others have eloquently expressed on this Forum. What is so puzzling, because it's so patently obvious that the money given is wasted through corrupt practices and/or spending on things (weapons etc) other than giving aid where it may be needed, is that our leaders of ALL political persuasions don't see it too ?  They all seem to stick to the dogma that it's to prevent the spread of communism or radical doctrines - well, it doesn't seem to work does it ? The amount of money we give is unbelievable (£12 billion p.a. David said) - using that cash in caring for our elderly and funding the NHS shortfalls HERE in the UK would be far more beneficial, appreciated by everyone who has paid their taxes in THIS country, AND not only be a great vote-catcher (politicians to note!), might even give me greater hope for my future needs !  Stop the Aid, & keep it here at home I say. It wouldn't even be a controversial policy (like HS2, the 3rd runway etc), so even Ms Krankie and the LibDums couldn't object. It's such a no-brainer I'm amazed that no budding poltico hasn't proposed it in the House of Commons, a) to make a name for him/herself, & b) to virtually guarantee getting unanimous backing and  support from his colleagues, but more importantly, the people of this country. John (JKW)    

December 16, 2016

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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 16, 2016

We've also got Gnasher Sturgeon giving £250k to Yemen. She seems to forget that Scotland has a deficit of £14.8 billion. As if we don't have enough money being wasted. If we need to give some countries aid let it be in the form of equipment and British goods which the government pays the UK manufactures for which would including shipping. Then all those civil servants who work in the foreign aid departments can go out to these 3rd world countries and supervise the use of it and ensure it doesn't disappear into the coffers of the corrupt governments. Just as a final note. We give China and India cash lump sums in aid!

December 16, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 16, 2016

So, Scotland gives aid to Yemen to buy weapons to fight the Saudis who are bombing them with warplanes and rockets sold to them by the UK who are Saudi Arabia's biggest arms supplier. We do indeed give aid to India and China. It wasn't that long ago that an Indian minister, questioned about his country building nuclear weapons while receiving UK aid, told the reporter we gave them chicken feed, it wasn't wanted or needed and we could stuff it.  

December 16, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 16, 2016

Brilliant!!!! Let us "stuff it" back into OUR coffers then, and rollocks to the lot of these despotic little back pocket countries, once and for all......

December 19, 2016

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Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 19, 2016

I was listening to the Jeremy Vine show on BBC Radio 2 this morning whilst on my way to town. The subject of international aid was being discussed with a guy who was part of an agency that had been looking into how it all worked, how much was wasted, how much got to where it should do et al. Now here's a point I never knew previously, apparently because by legislation we have to spend 0.7 per cent of gross national income on overseas aid, the Government is often caught short in ideas of precisely how to achieve that spend year in year. Now, many of you will recall in our army days being asked for ideas on what to spend the remaining budget on come January of each year as anything left unspent on 7th April, at the end of the FY , was lost. Well times haven't changed, each year about 33per cent of the £12billion overseas aid budget gets channelled by the government into the World Bank, along with other international donations from other countries, charities, businesses et al, in order to meet its legislative responsibilities. The World Bank then, in theory, distributes this money to deserving causes in deserving countries, allegedly. But the World Bank is a very unwieldy institution and this distribution process takes a lot of time so it sets up myriad trust funds to hold the monies until it can decide where to spend it. This can take a few months to a number of years and the money lies dormant there until a decision is made. Naturally administrating all this is expensive, about 10 per cent of what we pay into the World Bank goes on admin fees. It is calculated that over the past 5 years the U.K. Has paid, wait for it, over 300,000, 000 US dollars in admin fees  to the World Bank, that's three hundred million!! It is also expected that our contribution to the overseas aid scheme will rise to £16 billion pa within the next few years. We are the second biggest contributor per capita in the world in providing overseas aid. The US pays more than we do overall but per capita they pay less than one third of what we pay. I am sure there are so many other "open secrets" none of us are aware of  surrounding overseas aid but I finish on this point. Overseas aid is funded by taxpayers money. Those same taxpayers are being short changed in a number of public spending areas such as health and care of the elderly. There is no doubt that millions of people in this sad world of ours are far worse off than we are. There is also no doubt that we should help where we can. What doesn't compute however is the amount of overseas aid paid to corrupt governments, the amounts used to fund mad hat schemes or the sums that are paid to countries that don't need or want it and are developing or have developed nuclear weapons.Quite apart from all that, charity begins at home, once our own vulnerable, sick and elderly folk are properly looked after, once our own people can access costly cancer drugs, receive first class health care, can be looked after when they are old and vulnerable, THEN we can start thinking about helping other nations. Just my thoughts on it all.  

December 23, 2016

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Posts: 1201
Foreign Aid Must Stop Now

December 23, 2016

Couldn't keep quiet about "foreign aid" after reading today's Mail on the "civil servants " pay ,why post ??? These "civil servants" pay themselves DOUBLE pay/salary for people doing a similar job for the government , must think that it would get lost in the increase to come ,just a few thousand amongst the Billions !!!!!!!


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