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Government Defeat
October 27, 2015

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Posts: 685
Government Defeat

October 27, 2015

Well; who couldn't see that one coming!! Complete balls up from start to finish. An UNELECTED set of  overpaid backsides, most of whom "bought" their seats in the upper house or are there by some nefarious birthright, overturn the the decision of a democratically elected Government. And the reason why??? Because the idea to reduce working tax credits is absolutely the right decision spoiled AGAIN by an ill conceived implementation plan ......or lack of. Like the so called bedroom tax a complete horlicks of an implementation plan resulted in a national outcry. Low paid working people cost the treasury FAR less than those idle bastards who refuse to work per se. Of course the benefits bill has to be reduced, of course employers should pay their workers a reasonable living wage, of course we taxpayers shouldn't subsidise the big companies paying slave labour wages, BUT; the safety net should have been properly in place BEFORE the cuts were introduced. The bedroom tax is perfectly fair HAD exceptions been catered for, had people been given the chance to downsize first, had there been some rationale thought applied to it as a concept. This latest debacle is of the same ilk. It irks me terribly that those pompous unelected prats in the Lords can change a Govt decision., it irks me even more that the Tories allowed it to happen!!

October 27, 2015

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
Government Defeat

October 27, 2015

Organise the rules and boundaries before you set the plan up. Test it again and again, and then put it to the parliament. Our present heads set the idea up  first and THEN hatch the untested  idea pell mell upon the electorate. Planning and testing BEFORE any form of implimentation was what we learnt when I worked in the computer field after leaving the forces. And we got it right after rigourous testing and updating before letting it out to the field. This lot were obviously brought up in a china shop, without being taught the rules. They never think of the impact, good or bad, their policies will have on the country and the rest of the world. And it is the same as it always has been, full speed, no ideas, no control, JUST DO IT. Another crash waiting to happen... and it will happen again and again if they do not set the ground rules first, Testing and more testing before you put it in the common domain, but our "leaders" never do that, hell bent on getting it out to the world, without testing and refining. No wonder they lost in the Lords.

October 27, 2015

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
Government Defeat

October 27, 2015

PS: It is a good thing they are not in charge of the nursery!!!!!!

October 29, 2015

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1205
Government Defeat

October 29, 2015

I've been considering a reply on what happened in the Lords earlier in the week, this cutting of aid via tax benefits to low paid/part time workers ( mostly female) and the introduction of a " living wage " ,in theory a great idea BUT the wage is not in force till next year AND the tax cut was going happen straight away . The government are putting the cart before the horse again , the bedroom tax was example of a good idea BUT the implementation was a load of shite , as David said allow people to downsize then hit them with the extra charge . My oldest daughter is one of the unlucky "woman" who are bringing up the kids ,both at school ( the man gone and not paying upkeep) so working 18 hours on min wage and qualify for tax credits . I know she'd want a full time job with a decent salary but with child care costs taking most of her salary ,catch 22 , and as she works in the child care industry her salary is at the lowest available. The problem is that my daughter is not alone being in this position of tax credits there are millions of single parents out there , so what the Lords did was maybe a one off ,yes they are all jobs for the boys politicians or the 90  hereditary lords  stepped on the governments toes BUT in the case of my daughter have done the job of making think implementation of their policies (no matter how good) are PUTTING THE CART in the right place allowing policies to in place to balance things out , but the government have only now disclosing their ideas/ policies since the election , only time will tell if things work out and we don't have soup kitchens up and down the country.


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