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Hinckley Point
July 29, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 29, 2016

We are now on our third Government  considering the idea of a new nuclear power station build. Hinkley Point is planned to be built by the French company EDF with substantial Chinese investment. The plan is that it would produce about 7 percent of the country's power needs on completion in about 2025. The cost to the taxpayer will be enormous. To avoid the capital outlay the Government is considering  a PFI type arrangement whereby EDF and the Chinese put up most of the upfront costs to get it built and operational with their costs and profits recuperated from the end users, the British public, through energy bills. Some experts believe the eventual cost will rise to £90 billion, £90 billion, a quite staggering amount for such a small return in power supply terms and at an astronomical cost to the poor bloody end user. Not only that, we will be hostages to fortune to the bloody French and the Chinese for decades to come! It is a catastrophe waiting to happen. Consecutive Governments have steadfastly refused to address the ever diminishing home produced energy levels despite reports consistently warning of a 'lights out' situation becoming an ever greater likelihood. Today's decision by the Government to forestall the final contract signing, after EDF's board only last evening voted to spend £18 billion on commencing the project, is condemned by the opposition but in my view it is entirely the right thing to do. We need to ensure this contract isn't the massive white elephant so many economists think it is. We need to do something positive and proactive about addressing our power supplies and it needs to be done quickly. I have asked this question many times but I will do so again, how can so many experts, so many erudite and highly paid people, people who purport to know better, make such a massive cock up of something so important? Answers on a postage stamp please.

July 29, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 29, 2016

David, I must confess to not being fully aware of the pro's & con's of the proposed Hinkley Point project, but your assertion that it would only supply approx 7% of our needs does shock me, bearing in mind the extraordinary costs involved. I did hear that EDF have attempted similar projects in 3 different countries, and all have failed to materialise - I wonder why ? Theresa May has made her "mark" by refusing to rubber stamp the proposal and wanting time to study it - let's face it, the French & Chinese backers aren't doing it for our benefit are they ? I do wonder why the construction site is being made ready though - do they know the result already !?! The only thing I see in it's favour is the fact the "Frog" unions are against the whole thing - that's maybe enough reason to vote it in !! John (JKW)

July 29, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 29, 2016

David interesting points BUT here's a point that wouldn't cost our great great grandchildren their future , what you say has that fellow on about . Chernobyl ,Japan have been disastrous for nuc power stations ,so our Germanic neighbors closed theirs and went back to COAL with special filters for the effluent ( dirty air to us Brits) now I'm sure these filters don't cost our canny Germans the earth mmmmmm he remembers that under the good British soil is about 300 years stock of COAL ( on the use age of the 60's ) . So if it's good enough for Jerry let's build COAL powered stations which cost a fraction of a Nuc one ....does that make sense or what ,upto you guys to argue otherwise ?????? Bob for minister of power

July 30, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 30, 2016

The answer to our energy woes does indeed lay beneath our own land and it is called fracking. The US has revolutionised its entire energy production through this process making itself self sufficient apropos energy and now exports it at a huge profit. We apparently have untold amounts of shale gas that could allow us to replicate America's success and sustain us for the next 100 years at least! Trouble is the tree huggers they have no answer to the problem but just refuse to accept that fracking can be done safely, the US as ever had mastered the technique and laughs at our inability to do the same!  

July 30, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 30, 2016

Guys further to my argument on technology doing its business ,David said fracking and why not BUT our friends of the earth nuts want to see us ( not them ) living in caves . Technoloigy has made running an internal combustion engine more eco friendly , my septic tank has additional filter beds (€5000) making the return to the outside world clean water mmmmmm  These tree huggers the tiny majority need to live in the real world , moderne technology is allowing us to feed cloth and heat this earths massive population , so as with my septic tank put another filter on the water supply , or their iPhones etc will not have power in the future ( oh dear my human rights ) as David posted if the Yanks can do it ,Get it done ,kick the problem done the road for another generation to sort before the lights go out .

July 30, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 30, 2016

Quite apart from other similar EDF projects still not complete after many years of waiting, it now seems one of the major sticking points apropos Hinkley is the fear that the Chinese could turn the power off in any such venture they are involved in at will. So; to escape capital building costs we enter into contracts that would be enormously expensive to repay over decades AND run the risk of a nuclear power station in ENGLAND being susceptible to Chinese control. China has a proven history of stealing trade secrets through computer hacking, this deal foresees China putting up about a third of the capital finance and the fear from security services is they will build a corrupting influence into the network that would allow them to simply switch off the power supply by distorting the data banks that control the whole system. If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Frack the Chinese, Frack the French, Frack the tree huggers, we have the means to be self sufficient in energy production, make a profit AND not be hostage to fortune to a country that hates us and another one that is corrupt. Oh and the home produced energy would be much cheaper. Hmm difficult decision to make I know!,

July 30, 2016

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Hinckley Point

July 30, 2016

All those BILLIONS of pounds cash for just a "possible" 7% of this country's electricity needs??? Somebody elsewhere in this world is gloating over all the filthy loot they will be receiving from our poor old country for centuries to come.... and all for a measly 7% of this nation's needs. Frack the lot of them and start drilling for all this gas, it is easier to produce, at billions less than the nuclear option. Our communal leg is definitely being pulled. The MM and government must say NO,NO,NO, we will drill for the gas under our feet. It is easier to get, easier in safety terms to distribute, and a B****y lot less than what the nuclear option will cost. Where do we FIND these morons??? They all live in Cuckooland, not our real world. There is only one option which is to chop down all trees, and use this as fuel. In this country, it will probably produce 2 days heat, then ziltch ever after... God help us against these morons...


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