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Hold your hand up if you’ve had enough of the Irish and E U on the Brexit
February 28, 2018

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Hold your hand up if you’ve had enough of the Irish and E U on the Brexit

February 28, 2018

The more I hear and see reported on either media,and the comments coming from Dublin on the border the more I'm thinking,yes we have the Good Friday agreement,yes we have voted to leave the EU ,and more importantly we are a SOVEREIGN Nation. So the Ireland has to take a hit ,we will have a border with them ( meaning the EU) as we are leaving , sorry to say the 20 years of peace are going to go down the tubes cos of the DEMOCRATIC right of the United Kingdom to leave . Why is it going down the tubes our friends Sinn Fein,simple as that ,you've seen that they want an Irish language bill which is not acceptable to the DUP ( majority of the North) so power sharing government is in limbo . Now if they can't agree on this what a border either soft or hard a chance of being agreed. The thought I had about Irish trucks traveling across the UK to get to France etc ,is they sail direct into France from Cork ,which holiday makers have done since the beginning of ferrying. Now the position of the looney Left Labour is against most of its members,the working voters who voted to LEAVE,I'm listening to a Labour guy on lunchtime Brussels Broadcasting Corporation trying to explain this agreement on the customs union ,and being shot down by Andrew Neil . Your thoughts on fantasy land .My thoughts are we moving to an Clean Brake with no paying of the ransom the EU want .

February 28, 2018

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Hold your hand up if you’ve had enough of the Irish and E U on the Brexit

February 28, 2018

It was never going to an easy task to uncouple ourselves from the myriad trade and other agreements we were shackled to as part of our membership of the EU. BUT; by heaven we haven’t helped ourselves have we. The one thing we needed above all else to enact the democratic will of the nation was a unity of purpose, a coming together of all political parties to help wrest the best possible deal for the United Kingdom from the sticky fingers of the Brussels autocrats. Well Tory rebels aided and abetted by the SNP and now Labour put paid to that vision. The Irish problem is just another welcome barrier made available to the EU to hinder our path to freedom. It has been fudged in the initial talks and someone, somewhere, someone in power, needs to accept that Eire is a country outside of the UK and when we leave the EU there will be border controls necessary twixt Southern and Northern Ireland. Eire needs to recognise it is a pissy little debt laden country which desperately needs the UK to whom it exports the greatest percentage of its goods. Let’s not even mention the massive  ‘loan’ we gave them when they were on their uppers, whoops I just did. I am pig sick of all the hype, the rhetoric, backstabbing, the never ending about turns. Let’s break, let’s break completely once and for all. Let’s walk away and say to hell with you all. Umm, we can’t can we because that would need parliamentary assent and THAT in turn needs a Government majority which they won’t have because of 9 or so Tory traitors.

March 1, 2018

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Hold your hand up if you’ve had enough of the Irish and E U on the Brexit

March 1, 2018

They aren't just "Tory traitors", they are traitors to the democratic will of the British electorate - if they go through with their threat to derail Brexit by voting with Labour etc, then I hope every sanction possible is placed upon them, even sacking them from the Party - let's face it, they're more hindrance than help in current times. With regards the border question, it's so OBVIOUS that controls will be needed post Brexit - Ireland voted (twice) to be in the EU, we voted OUT, so they cannot expect to be treated as if one country. They're not part of the United Kingdom, never will be, and therefore they, and Brussels, must accept border controls of one sort or another. No one has suggested Army checkpoints again, so why the claims of going against & destroying  the Good Friday Agreement ? Sir John Major also needs to recognise he is NOT the PM, or even an MP any longer, and along with "call me Tony" B liar, should keep their noses out of the political "trough" to let those elected to govern do just that, govern  without interference . TM seems to have found some backbone to stand up against Barnier & Tusk - let's hope she continues the movement, even, as suggested on here, making a clean break from Europe - I'm certain she would have the backing of the majority of the British people, who are probably like me, fed up to the back teeth of the back stabbing & bickering of so many MP's. John (JKW)

March 3, 2018

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Hold your hand up if you’ve had enough of the Irish and E U on the Brexit

March 3, 2018

The PM’s Friday speech: I thought it was a good exposition of her intentions apropos Brexit generally. She conceded that ground would have to be given on both sides, that concessions would have to be made by both sides. Pros; conciliatory but firm as to her expectations of the outcome. A less than veiled hint that a bad deal for the UK would result in a no deal scenario. A mild but clear rebuke to the EU over its meddling in UK internal affairs apropos the Irish border issue. A good point re the ‘cherry picking’ accusations of the EU, pointing out that all previous EU deals with Denmark, Canada et al were individualised ‘cherry picked’ deals and what we were asking for was no different. A firm, no nonsense, approach to the fact we WILL regain control of who enters our country post Brexit. A clear understanding that the UK’s Brexit policy explicitly precludes our continued membership of the customs union and the ECJ in time.A firm outline of our free trading intentions post Brexit and the disadvantages for both the EU and us in not agreeing tariff free trading post Brexit. Cons: no real solution to the Irish problem. Lacking in any real detail like almost everything we have read since Brexit began. I thought she could have been a bit more bullish in her response given the recent rhetoric of Barnier, Juncke et al. I wanted to hear more strength of purpose in her words but I recognise she walks a thin political line and is beset with traitors, backstabbers and a disjointed party. I also wish she had said something to deal with the rantings of Blair and the recent smiling death backstabbing by Major. Verdict: Generally a good speech, well delivered and well written, probably as good as we could have hoped for given the bigger picture. She has probably assuaged the remoaners and given heart to the sceptics.  

March 3, 2018

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Hold your hand up if you’ve had enough of the Irish and E U on the Brexit

March 3, 2018

Agreed all round - I reckon it was a speech primarily intended to bring together the various factions within the Party just as much as to show Barnier etc that we DO have a plan. The detail will surely follow, probably too early still to show her hand, but with regards the Irish border situation, it's obvious to me that electronic controls will be the solution. If the Irish, or the EU don't accept that, let THEM "police" the border themselves - they'll be making it a "hard" border then ! John (JKW)


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