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March 21, 2017

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McGuinness

March 21, 2017

I just watched Blair on Newsnight lauding the "politician and peacemaker" Martin McGuinness and it frankly sickened me. McGuinness was instrumental in the murder of thousands of people. He orchestrated indiscriminate bombings that took so many innocent lives, he led the targeted execution squads that tortured and murdered many more. McGuinness never apologised, he refused to give any answers to the families of people murdered by the IRA and he shunned the victims' organisations of Northern Ireland. In my opinion McGuinness opted for the olive branch when he realised the bombs and bullets were unlikely to give him and Adams the power base they both craved. Blair seems to have a franchise on rewriting history so that it accords with his version of it. To my mind, 15 or so years of peaceful politicking cannot erase 40 years of  murder and mayhem. We do all have to move on but that is easier for those of us who didn't have  family members murdered by the IRA (led by McGuinness) than those who did and we shouldn't try to gloss over the truth in doing so. McGuinness should not be remembered as anything other than a man who turned to peace once he realised he couldn't kill enough people to win by violence.

March 22, 2017

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McGuinness

March 22, 2017

David your very eloquent on your description of that turd burgler from Derry . As you guys can imagine on the isle of Ireland he's been sanctified as the man who brought "peace" ,if his organisation had put down the "bomb and the gun" there would had not needed all though deaths of innocent people. The heritage he leaves is   that democracy works with a gun .

March 22, 2017

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 556
McGuinness

March 22, 2017

McGuinness was a murdering scumbag who, as we all know, along with Adams, was on our list of  terrorist photos we always carried on patrol in NI. The fact he always evaded prosecution (apart from a brief 6 months sentence in the Republic) was down to clever manipulation of the law and a network of informers that kept him one step ahead of the SF. Norman Tebbit (he, along with his wife & many others, was bombed in the Grand Hotel, Brighton by the IRA at the time of which McGuinness was 2 i/c of)), stated yesterday that in his opinion, McGuinness only turned to the "political peace route" when he realised the IRA had been infiltrated and if he continued they (the SF) would have sufficient evidence to convict him big-style. Whether fact or not, McGuinness in fairness did play a big part in the peace deal with Bliar that ensured those IRA convicted of murder / terror offences would be released (pardoned ?), a "luxury" not afforded to British soldiers who are still being hounded by the police in NI. IF McGuinness had shown any remorse, had apologised for his actions & support of the IRA, and assisted in releasing information to families devastated by the IRA of the whereabouts and circumstances of their deaths, then he just might have a modicum of credibility. As it is, in the minds of the vast majority of Brits his legacy will remain that of a murdering scumbag who used terror to get his own way before realising it was bound to fail and chose the political, democratic route to save his own skin. No doubt he will now be held up as a martyr, lauded by his followers & others who should know better (watch the banners at this w/e's Celtic game !) -- thousands of his victims still traumatised & with horrific injuries who survived his bombs, & the families / friends of those who didn't  will surely hope he rots in hell. I would NEVER normally speak ill of the dead, but in this case............. John (JKW)

March 23, 2017

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McGuinness

March 23, 2017

Today, amidst thousands of mourners and dignitaries, McGuinness was buried. I listened as Clinton and others paid tribute to him and lauded his peace endeavours in his latter years. A couple of thoughts crossed my mind. Will our children, in 25 years time, be sat watching television as people mourn and dignatories laud yesterday's lunatic murderer? Far fetched? Not as far fetched as McGuinness's epitaph. Secondly it is worth remembering, amidst all the crocodile tears, the hypocritical, patronising condolences and eulogies being heaped on McGuinness, even as this travesty of history, this abomination of humanity takes place a 74 year old former soldier is awaiting trial for shooting at, not killing, just shooting at, a convicted criminal and terrorist known to have attacked security forces. And he is just the first of many to follow if this witch hunt isn't stopped in its tracks. I simply do not know what has happened to justice. I despair of the way society and our laws have evolved that allows such crass misrepresentations and treacherous acts to take place. Then I watch the events of yesterday unfold in graphic detail on the news. Courage and tenacity, heroism and selflessness all traits displayed by ordinary folk and the emergency services when the chips were down. And yet I am slightly taken aback as there are calls for a state funeral, a VC, a George Cross at the least, for the police officer who so bravely died at the hands of the murdering scumbag. Yesterday's events captured the media and the public's attention. That police officer was indeed brave and deserves to be recognised as such but there has to be some sense of proportionality so that we don't denigrate the deaths in service of thousands of others. We simply cannot pick and choose who become heroes and who don't. That officer was doing his job, just as all the other police officers who died in service were doing their jobs and just as every soldier, sailor, airman or woman, every firefighter et al did theirs. The overwhelming majority of those people died without any honours or awards, they died doing their jobs. I also ask how it can be that police guarding such sensitive, obvious terrorist targets are not  supported by armed colleagues?

March 23, 2017

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 556
McGuinness

March 23, 2017

With regards the rather OTT outcry for a State Funeral, George Cross etc, and the PC not being supported by an armed colleague, they were my thoughts too David ; the latter point needn't have required the presence of the usual heavily armed SAS type guy, but surely a holstered pistol at the very least I would have thought. Another VERY REAL RANT today from me is the fact the gutless, cowardly scumbag who deliberately drove his car into innocent bystanders before stabbing the PC, has been labelled a "soldier of the I.S" by his own crowd - SOLDIER !?! That is the greatest insult to every person who ever wore the uniform - what soldier would ever commit such a wanton atrocity against totally innocent people that included women and children ? Any deranged imbecile could drive onto the pavement and mow down innocents with a  car, and anyone who thinks such an act takes bravery is as big a bigoted coward as this guy was - quite why he thought this would help his cause defeats me, he has undoubtedly increased the tension, even hatred , towards his fellow Muslims, and I'm one person who feels very angry & bitter. John (JKW)


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