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September 3, 2015

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Now it’s Budapest,what price a train ticket????

September 3, 2015

This migrant problem has to be sorted,as apposed to Calais having a thousand or so they have tens of thousands in or around the train station in Budapest....the escalating problem is getting out hand ,needles to say.What amazes me that when Sky or other news reporters interview the migrants from hoping to get to Germany or the UK they're demanding that it's their right to be/go there,and nobody has the right to STOP them!.There was one woman (with child) demanding she would have a better life in Germany ,no explanation of her home country just that she wanted to better off in Germany,so IF the Germans take say a million does that means all of the EU countries have to take a million????? I relize these people's problems have got out of control in their home countries BUT being a realist I don't want them coming to my country bringing god knows what problems with them to disrupt the balance of democracy,does this mean I'm a racist,yes yes yes ,the worst part of all these problems is" That we have to pay for it".....sorry we're full

September 3, 2015

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September 3, 2015

They have no legal or moral reason to leave their country of birth, using the fighting in their country as an excuse to   come to Europe. They are only coming to Europe for financial gain.They should all be fighting this enemy of theirs in  their country of birth. I say to them that they go back from whence they came, and fight their enemy there, the way our forefathers did in England centuries ago,  before we got the rights and freedoms which we enjoy today. I do, however, feel desperately sorry for their poor children, many of whom have perished in the Med., not knowing why. They are the innocents in all of this. It is about time that the UN declare war on IS and its associates immediately, instead of telling us we are responsible for these refugees. And how about the oil filthy rich Arab countries telling the world that they will deal NOW with IS and its hangers on, instead of encouraging them to believe that IS and co have a real right to do what they are doing in the Middle East.

September 4, 2015

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September 4, 2015

Fact; Germany has twice the landmass we have. They have less migrants per capita than we have. Over the past decade they have taken in a smaller number than we have. They spend significantly less on overseas aid than we do, despite have a greater GDP than us! Merkel has the typical East German take on refugees, having suffered under the communists for so long she has a natural affinity to them, an affinity NOT overwhelmingly shared by her electorate. But that is the reason she spouted the rhetoric about allowing more of them in and now, thankfully, most of the refugees/migrants want to go to Germany.  She will reap what she has sown!! Cameron is slowly succumbing to the bad press he has received apropos allowing more migrants into the country. I feel desperately sad for the innocent little mites who suffer in the whole sorry saga. The pictures of that little drowned lad tore at my heartstrings. In MY opinion, there ARE some genuine refugees who are fleeing war ravaged lands, where they are unsafe and living  in atrocious conditions. I also KNOW that the majority of them are economic migrants. The trouble is the leaderless, headless chicken entitled the EU has no plans or whatever to deal with the problem. No way of separating those who SHOULD be given asylum from those who are just looking for a more prosperous life. There are no plans or facilities in place, or even in the pipeline, to form a cohesive, EU wide, policy to deal with the problem. Meanwhile the accusations fly back and forth and the despicable people smugglers continue to ply their trade relentlessly. Merkel's reaction to it all has WORSENED the problem enormously. She has suspended the Dublin treaty that required refugees to stay in the first free country they land in and has effectively said all those wanting to enter Germany can do so, ergo the chants we hear on the news of Germany, Germany!!.  That's fine except she expects us to do the same. While all this is going on the erstwhile translators (and their families) who worked for us in Iraq and Afghanistan continue to be tortured or killed with alacrity despite tens of thousands of people petitioning the Govt to allow them to come here. I don't pretend to know what the answer to it all is; but there again I am not the PM. I don't have the facilities of banks of experts and advisors to guide me. I don't have the ability to discuss the matter with other EU heads of state but I DO know the present situation simply cannot be allowed to continue and we cannot open the floodgates to swarms of economic migrants!!

September 4, 2015

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September 4, 2015

I completely agree David,the EU governments have been kicking this problem down the road for too long,at first a trickle now we have a surname of people who mostly are economic migrants .Cameron has stated that the UK will take true refugees from the United Nations camps out in the Middle East.The nigger in the wood pile is Germany saying that they'll take 800k,well I think looking at what coming their way will be multiples of that.I suppose being a native of the trouble countries around the Mediterranean and they hear the German chancellor say come plenty of room I'd be asking where's the queue start !!The great pity is that the young are the ones that are being the asked to pay the price with their lives.

September 4, 2015

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September 4, 2015

I must admit that Cameron has got it right for once, in respect of how the UK handles this crisis, when he says that the way to help resolve the problem is to take refugees from the established refugee camps in Syria, which this country is supporting with cash and supplies already. Germany has shot itself in the foot by saying it will take many thousands of the ones already in Europe, and I hope that if and when these people settle in Germany and elsewhere in the EU continental countries, these migrants are not allowed free passage to anywhere else in the EU. If they are not European (which they are not) they must stay in the continental EU country which takes them in, and not try to come to UK. It may be cruel of me, some will no doubt say, but this country IS sorting out the whole problem the correct way, belatedly though it is. And if IS/ISIS etc attack the Syrian refugee camps, then the Arab countries should stop them immediately, by force if necessary. I just hope UK do it.

September 4, 2015

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September 4, 2015

I agree with all the above posts, but feel the ONLY way forward is to tackle the source of the problem, the so-called IS State. They are the reason these migrants are using as the excuse to flee their native countries, & whether genuine or economic migrants, if the source is removed, ie I.S. destroyed, then no more "fleeing"  would be needed (or tolerated). Germany, with her stance, has magnified the problem, by actively encouraging migrants to settle in the "promised land" - they will regret that policy, of that I'm certain. So, IMO, the answer is for all European nations joining with the US & Arab states, to send a COMBINED force to obliterate the I.S. wherever they are - it could all be over within 2 months, providing a massive, coordinated  air & ground offensive is launched without mercy on these sub-humans. It's time the UN stepped up to the plate & lived up to their title, UNITED NATIONS, & instead of rhetoric, coordinated a massive strike force to solve the problem at source. John (JKW)

September 5, 2015

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September 5, 2015

John ,NAIL on HEAD........but as with previous posts have the EU got a) the balls to do it......b)the military,namely boots on ground to complete the job??????????????????????????????

September 5, 2015

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September 5, 2015

Our government completely misread the Syrian crisis, they absolutely underestimated Assad's support, his resolve and his ability to withstand the rebel onslaughts. SO; we start to supply the rebels, then we realize they are part and parcel of a rag tag and bobtail cohort of genuine freedom fighters and terrorists, IS et al. They (the rebels) then become embroiled in internal strife and slowly get taken over by IS and other factions of terrorist organisations. Meanwhile the different factions are supported by Russia on the one side (Assad) with Iran and Saudi supporting their own Sunni/Shite factional forces. It's a dogs bollocks!! Like Iraq, like Afghanistan, the despot ruling Syria held a fragile country, riven with  tribal and religious differences, together. They must have democracy we shout, they must be free, they must be given western values, let's help overthrow the filthy despots in charge and see how grateful the people will be. NO< NO and NO. we only make matters worse. We depose one despot and in doing so as soon as we leave we allow a whole horde of  different but equally corrupt despots to fight each other to gain control of the country and create a longer reign of terror than ever before with absolutely NO safe places for the population to live!! Then, because we have fought 2 major, unnecessary wars losing hundreds of lives and causing catastrophic injuries to thousands more, the nation looses all stomach to fight when  we really SHOULD be doing so. Not just in Syria but against IS where ever they are. JKW is absolutely right. Until a cohesive Arab led, western supported major offensive is mounted against IS, until they are wiped from the face of the earth, there will be no stemming the tide of migrants heading to our shores. There will be no eradication of IS without many thousands of boots on the ground!! BUT; we should not think for a moment that the migrant problem is purely an IS created one. Many of the Syrian refugees are fleeing Assad's forces, many are fleeing rebel forces other than IS. Many are Afghanistanis fleeing the returning Taliban, many are from Africa. The problem is multifold. Add in the EU migrants and the scale of the problem becomes truly daunting. It is a sad fact that the west has really exacerbated the whole ME crisis by interfering in matters it has never really understood. The intentions may have been honourable, the interference and the execution of that interference was totally misguided and ineffectual. One thing I am clear on. If I had the choice between accepting genuine refugees from Syria or economic migrants from the EU I know where my sympathies would lie!!

September 5, 2015

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September 5, 2015

To back up your comments Dave, when Tito, Gadaffi,  & Saddam Hussein all ruled with their rods of iron, somewhat ruthlessly I accept, but those respective countries did at least live a fairly peaceful existence. It was only when the West interfered , in our ceaseless quest to democratise everyone, that global unrest reared it's ugly head, with rebellions, internal wars, mass migration, and not forgetting, acts of terrorism and the rise of I.S. threatening world peace. I might also add that, in this "interference", we have lost many, many lives of servicemen & women, severely maimed countless more mentally and/or physically, and wasted mega millions of pounds on futile campaigns . However, now that a REAL reason for intervention is needed, ie, destruction of I.S., we seem incapable or unwilling to tackle the problem head on - if only we had a "Churchill", he'd get the Arabs, Americans & Euro's together to form a formidable strike force ! John (JKW)

September 6, 2015

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September 6, 2015

Sometimes I wish the powers that be had been reading the posts here,I know we would have had the first gulf war after Sadams trip into Kuwait.The World Trade Centre and the Bush/Blair reaction,WMD's etc,then Afganistan and Iraq and as John said countless life's wasted and ruined and what have the West achieved in our dabbling into the Muslim way of life,when you look at it they're much better off "ruled with a rod of iron ".Heres a thought through out all this turmoil and conflict which country/religious sect has been sitting on the sidelines or allowed the west to use their  bases for war against the dictators, has been far more cruel to its own people ,and not allowing a woman to drive a car or to bring a "bible " into it??????. Saudie Arabia ,they have just had a new king take over the rains ,they financed ISIS , Bin Larden families live a good prosperous live there , so many of the woes keep coming back to their doorstep and how they're  interpretation of the Muslim faith is interpreted in the 21st century.They are financing faith schools all over the Western democracies,one has just opened in Dublin,so they brainwash the youngsters into being soldiers of God ,strap a bomb on yourself and kill non believers,or fly a plane into a building,or behead people on YouTube.But the politicians are ringing their hands and public opinion is concentrating on economic migrants who invading southern EU can't swim and think all will be well they get to land of peace and honey,yes everyone's eyes of the ball as John said we are trying to deal with the fall out and not what's causing the problem. The answer eerrrrm do we have Churchill or even a Maggie Thatcher ? Do we want to put our Armed Forces into Middle East again , personally the Leaders of the west better do something or our Britishness will be polluted,all the freedoms that our peoples have now will be dissolved by Sharia law and we are then going back to the dark ages ,and the sacrifice of millions of people fighting oppression since Magna Carta upto present date will be wasted.

September 6, 2015

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September 6, 2015

Our leaders were and still are, s**t  scared of doing what needed doing in the first place - stop this problem at source, and at the time  it raised its head. What needs doing now is for the free world to stop ALL monetary payments to the middle east, and for us in UK to use the billions of pounds we saved to create armed forces in this country which will be large enough and extremely well equipped enough to stop ANY country from even thinking of starting any more stupid, idealogical wars against anyone, ever again. BUT our rulers are lily livered, through and through, incapable of providing the defence structure which would deter even the largest country from indulging in open warfare with any nation. We must have a secure, well trained and large enough military to be able to deter anyone from elsewhere even thinking of attacking not just us, but our friends throughout the world. Wishful thinking?? Perhaps, but someone, somewhere MUST start the ball rolling, before we are ALL wiped off the face of our world. Lets face it, the first country to lob nuclear weapons at anyone will not only destroy countries, but will itself be wiped out by the instant response from all other nations. Not the best way to resolve differences, but knowing the threat, what sensible person would be first to press "The Button", knowing he and everyone else in the world will be specks of dust within seconds. And then, after several millions of years, the world may recover, but we will not know it.

September 6, 2015

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September 6, 2015

Can anyone contemplate the mess we would be left in if Corbyn becomes Labour leader (as he likely will) and then goes onto become PM. Trident; scrapped. Armed Forces; reduced to the Home Guard. Global conflict; unable or allowed to respond to ANY threat. Utilities, transport et al; all nationalised and out back under union control. New best friends; Hamaz, IRA, IS,  all muslim radicals, Hezbollah, EU; not an issue we will be the pariahs of Europe anyway, they won't want us!! Immigrants; UK's doors thrown open wide to anyone who wants to come here. Our current spineless, clueless and inept lot are still the best of a (really) bad bunch albeit it grieves me sorely to say so. The current Labour leadership candidates are falling over themselves to outbid each other with how many immigrants THEY would take if they were in charge. Of course, when one is NOT in charge the decision making process is easy because there are no comebacks. I think Cameron has trodden a very cautious path apropos Syria because he (quite rightly) doesn't want to be left out on a limb, alone in a field of European cowardice and left wing radicalism. BUT, he should be leading the cries for a concerted, cohesive once and for all annhiliation of all IS forces, instead he postures and pouts rhetoric. On the immigrant issue he has done well to withstand the pressures for us to open the floodgates and his solution of taking a measured number from the Syrian UN refugee campps is perobably the least worst option,.  as an aside, my whole being would be filled with absolute schadenfreude if Germany now becomes swamped with refugees!! Merkel's handling of the situation is abysmally inept and the worst possible non solution to the issue. I truly hope she pays the price for her stupidity!!

September 6, 2015

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September 6, 2015

Surely the German people will soon get fed up being the clearing house for migrants,I know they are the powerhouse of the EU and have a good system for looking after its citizens,but they  have to pay for the services putting it bluntly with the Greek financial problems etc to take a large number of migrants into the country will soon have a negative effect on the German lifestyle...keeping the refugees in their own country is the better option ,finance them feed them educate them but keep 'em out or bigger problems will be raised in the future .No they'll just kick it down the road ,by then the Brits with vote for an EU exit ,Greece economy will collapse and there will be millions of migrants living in what is the EU or whatever left of it,putting a lighter note on it it could be worse and Putin starts to flex his muscles in the east

September 6, 2015

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September 6, 2015

Bob, the German Volk are already demonstrating against the migrants, they were doing so BEFORE this latest gesture of  pro migrant philanthropy !! Particularly in the eastern states of Germany there have been countless demonstrations and attacks on migrant hostels. Over 250 attacks on migratnts have been recorded in Germany this year alone, imagine the ill feeling once the other 800,000 (or more) become domiciled there.

September 6, 2015

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September 6, 2015

Yep the shit will hit the fan once the affluent southern society villages/cities have to have a Mosque or 2 built ,and the full hijab is common in the shopping centres. I know where my son lives outside of Frankfurt in Kelkheim ,a nice Protestant sleepy village ,are they in for a shock, I didn't know or hear of these happening against migrants, but I remember the anti Turkish sentiment of the 60's and the ghetto type housing in the larger towns and cities.

September 7, 2015

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September 7, 2015

Claude Ajit Moraes,now that's a name to conjure with ,born in India 1965 moved to Scotland when 3 years old,what makes this man(,oh forgot to say he was a man) well this guy is an MEP and has been since 1999,good job,great expenses,good salary ,now I'm not being racist as I've never heard of the guy till this morning Sky news interviews. I'm not going to say heh give the guy a chance , all he has done in his life was university in Scotland then London worked as a gofer for the Labour leader John Smith ,nothing in industry etc ,so here's the lifetime politician,never had job. What makes him dangerous is he leads the left in Brussels,he wants the UK to take thousands of migrants,and as seen on Sky they in Serbia ,Hungury and Austria can't cope with the numbers coming. When you consider that the main Arab countries (Saudie etc)are not taking any migrants,Lebanon has over a million, and other countries like Turkey has vast numbers so this is not going away soon.They have to stop this problem at source,put troops on the ground wipe these IS people off the face of the earth and allow these people rebuild their lives in their own country......where's that can??  


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