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September 13, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 13, 2015

I've sat on the info coming out of the UK about the election of the new leader of the Labour Party and his so called massive majority.I thought great the "little man "is going to get his say at last in politics and how the country was governed ,non of these Etonian educated muppets are going to have a chance of getting their way with austerity any more.

Then I thought a little bit and it dawned on me ,the UK has this government for another 4years or so and with what's happened to the opposition parties,they the Tories can roll out whatever they want and nobody's going to able to do a thing,that's Democracy I suppose.Yes Cameron and Co are rubbing their hands and hiding a smile or two as they have a real go at outright rule,with No real opposition. Now if not when we get a new ruling government/party its 2020 and the things important now will be history,maybe no migrants as the UK has departed the EU,zero hour contracts,under 25's employment has disappeared,in fact you name a problem now that's been affected by austerity welfare etc ,all these will/ could've been solved. The only thing that is certain the rich will get richer and the poorest in society will miss the bus again , there will a greater divide between North and South with the South getting the biggest slice of the cake.

The problems arising from yesterday's democratic vote will mean that the SNP will want another referendum on independence,as if you knew they'd sit on their hands while the Labour Party goes into civil war for a year or two ,they could get the majority now from disgruntled ex Labour voters plus their own Nationalist following.Do I agree or am I annoyed by the happenings of voters of the Labour Party,No ,I just hope that it works out for the UK.......yes Democracy has to be seen , yes Democracy is our heritage, but with a guy who has never done anything but Protest running a party I have voted for all my adult life I feel empty , they say you learn by events of history ,thinking of the 80's and Michael Foote , I can't see the Labour Party in my lifetime,shame buts that's Democracy!!!!!

September 13, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 13, 2015

Bob, I think that instead of Corbyn and his Labour (?) Party succeeding within a millenia or two, we would be better off with the Muppets running this once great country, and I will not shed any tears, real or made up, if the Kilties decide to vote for leaving the UK, preferably sooner than later. Then that would leave Labour with no chance of winning ever... I can think of many of our old comrades who could do a better job than any of our lily livered and/or misguided politicos we are lumbered with at present. And give value for money while doing the job, instead of granting ourselves oodles of loot for doing next to sod all.  And there was me convinced that "labour" meant doing the job properly and honestly, silly me!!

September 13, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 13, 2015

I am not a "political animal", but unlike you Bob, I have NOT been a Labour supporter all my life, in fact I've voted for the Party I felt would do the best for my family & I and the country at the time of any Election. This has meant voting for both Labour & the Conservatives at different times of course, because my gut feeling swayed me toward the Party I considered "best" at that time. I know of some folk (my Dad was one) who would vote for the Labour candidate even if she / he was a chimpanzee, providing it had a red rosette on ! Even today, many people are totally inclined to vote for the Party their newspaper supports (ie, the Mirror = Labour, the "Scum" = Tory, Telegraph & Mail = Tory, etc), because they only see / hear/ read that media's political coverage. The BBC of course, are heavily biased to the Left IMO and so can't be relied upon to give fair political coverage, whilst Sky are only interested in promoting Manchester United !!! For what it's worth, I reckon the present Government are doing a fairly decent job for our country, and would certainly get my vote again over giving one for "Jezza's" protest / pacifist / hard Lefty socialist  policies ! John (JKW)

September 14, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 14, 2015

My "significant other" is a local Conservative councillor amongst a majority Labour council.   The general consensus of their opinion is that the elected Leader will be an unmitigated disaster for his party.   However, I am happy to say that the "team" work for the interests of their constituents and as JW has stated, that's fine if that is the true aim of the incumbents. We (now retired soldiery) have been obliged to follow the elected leadership in the past and it certainly opens your eyes when immersed in local politics in later life.   I was Chairman (note ChairMAN) of the local Conservative Branch for several years and was amazed at the in-fighting and self-interest shown by candidates for election.   I wonder how many of them managed to get elected.   I have to say that the worst perpetrators of deception are the Lib-Dems in this area. Just to confirm, I vary rarely express my political opinions and came from (like most of us) a Labour background and tended to be in opposition to most of my family.   However, I would be happy to see a coalition of Competent individuals governing this country, irrespective of the political persuasion..............  I guess that a long way off.

September 14, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 14, 2015

The main reason that I support or did the past the Labour Party was that in most cases as you guys have stated the local MP was from and lived with us locals.But the problem has now raised its ugly head of professional politicians who have never worked in the work place , now you have people who come out of Uni with a degree in politics and they think they know what's best for the masses,as with our officers of old they had No common sense! Here in Ireland we have Independent TD's(MP's) and so involved with the community that attend things like birthdays,fates, in fact our local TD would come for the opening of bottle ( joke) ,honestly Mattie our guy is great for the constitutes and he's only in the next village, anyway I digress from the future of the land of my birth.....you need a government that listens and put the people first ....eutopia and why not after all we've had democracy for a couple of hundred years someone must get it right sometime

September 20, 2015

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September 20, 2015

So all the shite is coming out the the recess of history about the new "leader" ,like all male politicians he can't keep it in his "PANTS" near the opposite sex !!!!. If what is being revealed about the new labour leadership,the guy who could be the next Chancellor is praising terrorists who died for the cause as apposed to calling them cowards who killed/maimed innocent people ,like it was . The Mail either Sunday/Daily are not going to cease the trickle of stories denier grating our Mr Corbyn for the foreseeable future,the only thing it takes the migrants off  page one,and as we know he wants them all to come to the UK. Now the question is "will the Labour Party split " as with the Lib Dems in the 80's are the rats going to leave a sinking ship and form "New New New Labour " or just the "Not So Loooney Left Party" your ideas to your local Labour MP ,oh that's if you have one ??????????

September 23, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 23, 2015

Well I am a conservative voter, have been all my life as have my family.. There; nailed my colours to the mast. The reason Corbyn has resonated with so many people is the gross disaffection and disillusionment so many people have with politicians per se.  Corbyn is a prat in my opinion, he has ideologies that would take us back to the bad old days, ideologies he sees only through his own peculiarly, radically socialist, far left spectacles. BUT: if I am to be balanced, I have to admit he comes across as a politician who actually truly believes in what he pontificates about, despite it being mostly inane rubbish. He is one of those archaic, beardy nerds, the push bike owning,  environmentalist, cardy with the holes in the elbow, deep thinking socialists so beloved by the intellectuals and arty Londoners. Some of what he proposes would be absolutely wonderful...........if we lived in cloud cuckoo land, if we could guarantee no one would do us harm, if we had unlimited resources, if people truly didn't abuse the benefits schemes, if nationalisation really did work, if the unions really were philanthropic in their outlook. Sadly none of  those attributes actually exist and that's why Labour will remain in the wilderness for the next decade or so. Corbyn would be a danger to this country if enough people took him seriously, thankfully I doubt that will ever be the case!!!

September 28, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 28, 2015

I see that Corbyn and his loony extreme left party are so far left that they are destroying themselves every time they open their mouths for another go at the normal people of this great country of ours who do not agree with his rantings. He is using up all the patience of this country with his one sided spoutings. If he and his cronies like the Red Flag and all it stands for so much, then they are in the wrong country. He should now leave UK and move to Russia ASAP, and save us all from his rantings against everything this country and its residents really value. With him in power, it would not be long before free speech would be banned, and all citizens would have to toe the line of the loony left of left "Corbyn's Labour Party". All Corbyn appears to have done in his life so far is to rant against all this country stands for, he is a disaster liable to happen spectacularly very soon. His ideas and ideals are beyond the pale, and if he continues going further left than he is right now, he will be standing upside down - which may be the best thing he ever does. We could then use him as a mobile flagpole! Even his own party, including Unions, are getting more than somewhat worried about his rantings and demands for changes to our way of life. There is a good chance, if he continues in his present demands and rantings, that even the Raving Monster Loony Party would get more seats than him and his loons. If he likes the red flag so much, perhaps we could tie him up in it, and hang him and it on a live firing range warning flagpole during new recruit  main armament tank firing practice. At least he would keep the wild animals there in fear of their lives through laughing so much at his rantings!! While we citizens wonder what he will pontificate on next, and watch the badly aimed new recruit firing getting really close to him. In this scenario,"badly aimed" will really be "Target Target Target"...and "Same Target Carry On".... 1960's coming out there!!

September 30, 2015

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September 30, 2015

Watching with interest at the conference this past week and amazed at/by the interviews the "chairman" has had ,all the media people have it in for him (or lack of tie) he hasn't said or done anything yet to instill confidence in his leadership.Sky news had him as a football manager (God forbid) on how what if he wanted to be PM where he would take the country, personally his "sat nav" is broken and he's not sure now he's the "boss" what to do . As everyone knows it's great to sit back and complain/spit dummy out but when the time comes and your expected to lead with proven policies,that as the Wizard said "is a  horse of a different colour ".So Mr Corbyn now your going to sniped at ridiculed in the media 24/7 for your ideas ,not easy now in the spotlight, fancy being a backbencher again?????????

September 30, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

September 30, 2015

Dear Mr Putin, Rabid Iranian Ayatollahs, Nutcase North Korean Dictators et al, please be aware that just because Comrade Corbyn has now publicly declared he would not push the nuclear button it is completely irrelevant as he will simply NEVER be in a position to make that decision and allow you to threaten our shores without fear of retaliation. just sayin!!

September 30, 2015

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September 30, 2015

Yep, reckon today's revelation has firmly put the nail in his political coffin so to speak - it's good news week !! John (JKW)

October 1, 2015

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October 1, 2015

John, he is a lifelong protester, a CND nut, a tree hugger, an anti establishment rebel. All well and good for the bloke who lives round the corner and no one takes seriously but simply not the attributes needed of the Labour Party Leader. From their perspective it seems the lunatics have taken over the asylum!!   As an aside the Russians have begun bombing Syrian rebels. Not IS but the Free rebel Syrian Army the west supported. So much for the "let's get this lot sorted by a coordinated approach".

October 1, 2015

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October 1, 2015

I do not think that Putin had any other plan for Syria than the one he is controlling now. Nobody in their right mind would even consider thinking the man intended to do anything else... He is only testing the western alliance's willingness to tell him to stop his game of stirring things up, and help the West to try to resolve the situation asap. Since Putin is now siding with Assad, he is challenging the west to react in the way he thinks the west will. The Syrian rebels who the west support, are fighting for a free country, a thing which is against the plotting and planning of a real misguided Ruskie like Putin. Now, has anyone else thought of this - if you put "Ras" in front of "Putin", you get "Rasputin", another Russian lunatic!!  Is that good or bad?? Bye Bye world...

October 1, 2015

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October 1, 2015

I personally , for once, agree with Putin ! For starters, Assad defended his domain by fighting the rebels who were out to overthrow him - DC, led by the USA, felt they were "moderate rebels" (what the hell's a moderate rebel ?) and supported yet another ousting of a leader in power. This gave an excuse for ISIS to join in,really get a foothold in Syria, and prolong the "war" substantially. Do we never learn ? We poked our noses into Iraq, to Afghanistan and now Syria. The first two "campaigns" have achieved what ? Multiple deaths & maiming of our forces, at a massive financial cost too, is the answer, because the Taliban (as predicted by many) have re-emerged in Afghan, and you couldn't call Iraq a peaceful place to live now either ! In these countries of mostly illiterate, backward thinking Arabs, they NEED a dictator to run things smoothly - never mind the West (us & the Yanks) insisting they have democracy, they aren't ready for it yet, so leave well alone and let them get on with their miserable lives- Libya (Gadaffi), Iraq (Saddam) both managed to rule & keep the peace until we poked our noses in, got rid of both leaders,  and now the population all want to leave their now peaceful (!?!) lands of milk 'n' honey ! Some success achieved there eh ? By supporting Assad, the Russians are propping up his regime, which worked quite well enough until we actively promoted the up rising against him - if we'd stuck by Assad & armed his gang instead of the "moderate" rebels (?), it would all be over now in Syria, especially with Putin's "help" too. It would also have meant the hundreds of thousands of emigrants/ refugees wouldn't have needed to suffocate Europe - they could happily (!?) continue their existence in their own homeland. I don't care if the Russians destroy the rebels or the IS, but preferably both, because only then will peace prevail and the refugee status be null & void thus stopping the mass exodus on the grounds of  fleeing the war. So, I say, if we must get involved, join with the Russians, & beat the hell out of IS and the rebels, which will do us ALL good in the long run. John (JKW)

October 2, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

October 2, 2015

John, a very good idea, it is a pity "our side" would never agree to doing what you say, since UK and US leaders would never agree to work with Putin to settle the Middle East down. I agree that Assad and co are centuries behind the West in their policies and desires, but if the West DID work with Putin and his ideas, would Putin be agreeable to honest dialogue with the West in the future, once the problems are resolved, or retire back into his previous stance of  doing the opposite to maintain his isolation of everyone but his own nation once the turmoil is sorted? Saudi Arabia could get a grip and sort out the Middle East problem, but it seems that the Saudi regime do not want change, since they relish the idea of maintaining the turmoil, and do not want to be seen as siding with "the infidels" (us!!!). Big problem, West supports one side, East supports the other. Never a good state to be in!!!

October 3, 2015

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Once upon a time there was a political party called “Labour”

October 3, 2015

Although this "thread"  (A party called Labour) has wandered well off topic (I blame Tommy Coates !!), I'll continue along current lines : How ironic, that in my previous post of 1st October, I said Putin was doing the right thing by bombing all rebel / I.S. targets but the West  were castigating him for doing so, for killing "moderate rebels" - I think that's much  preferable to the Yanks bombing a hospital in Afghan, killing international Red Cross staff in the process ! "People who live in glass houses" etc, springs to mind -when will we ever learn to keep our noses out, and stop trying to depose every leader whose doctrine we don't agree with (apart from Russia & China of course !!) ? John (JKW)


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