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December 23, 2016

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Open borders ????

December 23, 2016

I see no one has made any comment on the "open borders" in the EU ,or the non expulsion of "migrants " with NO Passport/I D documents . The latest incident in Berlin /Milan proves this Union of free borders just doesn't work , how can you travel ( as the number 1 suspect) across 3 countries and not be checked . Ok he could have had forged documents ,ok he's got numerous identities ,but FECK they had his picture all over the media ,and only because he was hanging around a closed rail station was he checked . How many innocent people going about their ordinary lives does it take to lose their lives before they realise it's not working and put checks back on the borders of Europe .

December 23, 2016

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Open borders ????

December 23, 2016

In an ideal, perfect world, free of terrorists, criminals & sex offenders, the Open Border policy might be a good thing, but we DON'T live in such a world and never will, so strict Closed Border control is an absolute necessity. If ever there was a clear cut case for denouncing the failed open Border policy, then the apparent ease that Anus (oops, Anis ) Amri was able to travel from Germany, through France & into Italy as Europe's most wanted man, all within day's of his cowardly mass murder , then this is absolute proof.   John (JKW)

December 29, 2016

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December 29, 2016

you have to be fair gents, he did have a 24 hour start and my reading of his demise said he was asked for his papers in a car. I do however totally concur with your other comments. slightly off the subject I seem to remember that the brits had to get a 24 hour passport to go to France from UK on the booze and tobacco runs, so for us there was still a border in the so called open borders EU. I also remember that they the French would not accept our ID form 90 cards as passports at one time. I liked that saying the only time the British are welcome in Paris is when the German panzers were there.

December 30, 2016

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December 30, 2016

Being in Frankfurt for New Year visit and speaking to my sons German in-laws they have been critical of Merkel and the happening over the last months in the fatherland,some thousands of attacks on females by migrants ,mainly from Tunisia Syria that are in the local press but not being picked up by national media . I wonder why ???????

December 31, 2016

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December 31, 2016

The EU are too sh** scared of being called "RACIST" by the very people (???) we are all trying to stop getting their way into the Western world, just tell them all to go back east and create their countries how they want them and not how they are...but they are too idle to do it for themselves,,,,,,,,,

January 3, 2017

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January 3, 2017

After the retiring of the UK head of the group running the "leave" campaign, whose heart was not up to the job, I am now convinced that such idiots should have no say in our leaving, and I now believe that UK should now tell the EU we are leaving in days and they can not stop us. What will they do, since they need us a million times more than we need them. Our leaders must tell the EU it is over, and we will be off very soon and we will be free from EU muddle and bluster.

January 3, 2017

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January 3, 2017

Personally, I'd appoint Nigel Farage to be our Ambassador i/c  Overseeing Brexit negotiations with the cursed EU . John (JKW)

January 4, 2017

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January 4, 2017

Trouble is John, Farage has made so many enemies in the EU and he is such a loose cannon I'M not sure it would be beneficial. We do need a strong, principled lead for the process but Farage has no standing in the EU as a person or a politician.

January 4, 2017

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January 4, 2017

you have to give Nigel Farage  his due he started as soon as he became an MEP, and for 16 years he kept sticking it to them and successive governments over here about getting out of the EU. As you say David he is a loose cannon, but he is a bit like the beast of Bolsover in that, when he is right it is like a dog with a bone so to speak. with reference to open borders; history repeating itself almost like a mirror image, the night club in Istanbul, 39 dead and counting, once again the perpetrator although known eventually,  also gets a 24 start before so called borders are informed, and yes I know that Turkey is  not a member of the EU ( Hmm), but the principle is the same, now you know why UK along with 1 or 2 Nordic nations would not sig up to the schengen agreement. Back to Brexit, yes I agree there is no one I can think of who is a strong enough person/politician to deal with the EU in the British way. I as one or two of you know deal quite a lot with European nationals, I would say that Mrs Merkel will not survive the next election in Germany,  it will be interesting to see if Marie le Penn can increase her 28% of the vote she has at the moment, the Austrians have pulled back from electing their Nationalist party, the Italians are getting in the swing of things and are refusing to toe the EU line, the Dutch elections are coming up with a movement there advocating ( Dexit or is it Nexit). Just listened to the travel agents Thomas Cook saying Oh yes we have just come back from Turkey, we don't know what all the fuss is about, nuff there to to get the old noggin humming again, so to cogitate, and have a double  rum and coke , cheers gents.

January 4, 2017

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January 4, 2017

Open Borders,   I recently was speaking to a waitress in a cafe in Southampton, and asked her where she was from.  Bulgaria.  I then said that I had stopped going abroad as my passport had expired.  She said that she did not have a passport.   How the F**** can she get into this country, get a job without a passport. Beggars belief.  

January 4, 2017

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January 4, 2017

Apropos Bob's post and Thomson advice about Turkey, I would personally not visit any Muslim country at present, in my opinion the risk is simply not worth it, faint hearted? maybe but why risk danger in a foreign country when it can be avoided. Not only that there are plenty of safer holiday destinations to choose from. Open borders? These were ok until the advent of the Muslim terrorist factions, suddenly terrorists could traverse 5,6, 7 or more European countries with impunity. No controls, no barriers, nothing to stop anyone going anywhere. None of that explains the Bulgarian lady's presence here of course. That said there are tens of thousands of illegal immigrants basking in the economic safety of our fair shores. BREXIT; I have this foreboding that it will take some considerable time to achieve. I hope the Government has a cunning plan not yet shared with the rest of us. A plan and a Plan B. I hope ministers are saying, let the press and the cynics spout their rhetoric, come the day we will astound everyone with our magnificent, thought through plan of action that will ensure economic prosperity. It is clear that a total clear out, a do called hard exit is what we need, anything else will simply take too long to unravel. Leaving the single  market isn't the end of the world, too many European countries export more to us than we do to them!  

January 5, 2017

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January 5, 2017

I find it quite interesting reading these comments re open borders. To give you an example, in the late nineties, the company I worked for had as caterers "Directors Table" which was part of the Compass Group. The kitchen staff were supplied by an agency. There was an occasion where someone didn't turn up and the agency sent round someone who originated from Pakistan. I asked the catering manager if he had permission to work in the UK. She told me that he didn't have a passport and what they did was board the aircraft with their passport and then flush it down the toilet. They were given permission to enter the country and apply for temp permission to work. There was another occasion in 2004. We had taken over a company in the City. In my role, I was responsible for the fit-out of the premises. The data cablers were being run by a Bulgarian. He was a very intelligent and polite guy and very well organised. I had a lot to do with him as our IT people were always changing their plan when we were mid fit-out. He took it all in his stride and everything was done accordingly. I've also worked with a lot of UK people who always made a fuss about any changes. I take people as they come. I also found it interesting especially when I looked at our Marketing team. At one time we had a Russian working there as well as Chinese. (We were a very multi-cultural company).They must have had permission to work because our HR team followed all the regulations. However, I agree with the comments made, anybody who stands up in this country and questions this are called racist. Finally, according to Ms Sturgeon, I'm a racist because I voted to leave the EU! The sooner we leave the better. Close the border now.

January 5, 2017

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January 5, 2017

Closing the borders is a sentiment I entirely agree with BUT we need to do so with a measure of intelligent planning. I live in Lincolnshire and, just as an aside, most of the crop farms here depend entirely on EU workers. The local populace simply don't want to undertake the back breaking work for the wages on offer.  These same locals have recently been complaining about the number of immigrants in their towns  as harvesting time was in full swing. The NHS would also collapse without migrant workers, there are other areas where immigrant employees contribute hugely to the economy and provide skills that we need. I wonder why we have never considered an Australian type immigration system where the right to enter and live in the country is dependent upon the need it has for your skills et al. No money or income, poor health, no skills, criminal record no entry. They rigidly enforce their entry standards and cock a thumb at any criticisms of it. By and large we are a very tolerant nation but there comes a time when we cannot sustain an open border policy any longer. I suggest that time has arrived.            

January 5, 2017

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January 5, 2017

David,I agree with what you're saying. Perhaps if they cut back or stopped the benefits to the never worked and never will crowd we wouldn't have to rely on the migrant workforce.

January 6, 2017

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January 6, 2017

Going back to Nigel Farage as an EU negotiator. looking at the people that we have deal with, all I see is a bunch of self centred clowns who are only interested in their snouts in the trough. Herr Junker is a complete waste of time and his past history re Luxemburg and the tax concessions that they gave to the large companies is very dubious. He's partly responsible for the mess that the EU is in re relationships with other member states. he's also known as a groper of women, and as to his to drinking habits, wine at £1200. per bottle which we pay for. I could go on. Nigel would run rings round them. However, we all know Nigel will never be appointed. The talk now is that the PM will go for a hard exit. Let's do it and you watch the screams coming out of Europe when it hits the businesses that export to the UK.

January 6, 2017

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January 6, 2017

Alfie, the trouble with Farage is his baggage. He is probably the most despised and hated MEP in the EU. He is renown for being offensive, he is considered by many to be racist and he has no real standing here either. He has made countless enemies there and he does not command the respect or support of almost any of the ministerial team.We DO need a hard negiotiator, someone with a backbone of steel and an immunity to the posturing and threats of the gravy trainers. But, that person has to command respect for his or her intellect, gravitas, knowledge and experience in Government. He or she doesn't have to be popular or liked but they do need other essential attributes, attributes  I personally find missing in Farage's CV. I agree totally with you re Juncker, he is a despot and a clown of epic proportions. He epitomises for me why we should make a hard, hasty exit. Pontifications on the single market should not be allowed to hold things up for even a moment in time. Either there is a good deal to be had, a deal worthwhile to us and immediately forthcoming or we should just ditch it and start with a clean sheet. I tend to err towards the latter option.The best person for the job in my opinion would be BJ. Why? Well most Eurocrats think he is a fool. Most think he is a loose cannon and likely to be easy prey for them in any talks. The fact is, he has enormous intellect, he is happy to sucker people in with his bonhomie and "hail fellow well met" demeanour, he is an experienced negotiator from his London mayoral days and he has a steely disposition. He is popular with many, supported by a large cohort of MPs and he is a polyglot. Sadly he has another job!


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