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January 7, 2017

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Open borders ????

January 7, 2017

David, I know Nigel Farage has baggage but who hasn't. Calling someone racist seems to be quite popular these days. Is it racist to support your own country the United Kingdom? I believe the reason that he's disliked by the European MEPs is because he has made it clear from the beginning that he and his party want to leave the EU. This goes against everything that these people stand for. He's highlighted the faults of the EU and that is heresy to these people. I also believe that the reason the "Establishment" dislike him so much is because the common or garden working man and woman share the same views. This is the reason that they won so much support in the last general election. He's seen as a threat to their cosy lifestyles. Whoever negotiates on our behalf is following the directives of our PM. She's no walkover!

January 8, 2017

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January 8, 2017

Being here 6 odd thousand miles from home and only now just gettin on to site ( too much sun,sea and cheap booze) I've been reading with interest your posts on a subject close to my heart. Been watching BBC world news ( the Beeb doesn't like Brexit ,or the editor doesn't) now how can I put this without being a "racist "  the UK has always taken people in from all the world who were being persecuted ( think of Uganda,Hungary,Germany in the 30's to name a few) but this open borders policy is a NO NO . Most of us were born when our little island had 50+ million and we had problems in housing,jobs ,well you name it we had problems . Now at 65+ million and still have the same problems ,and easy movement from the poorer countries ( old Soviet block) we have been inundated,no swamped in some cases ,bringing alsorts of crimes that were never here ( human trafficking,slavery etc) yes we had the west indies and other commonwealth migrants in the 50's to fill the jobs in the NHS or buses or council jobs that were not filled by British workers. I remember back when I lived in Rochdale that First buses had sent a couple buses with instructors to Poland to recruit drivers due to the shortage here . Now I'm not saying the Poles are not welcome ,but some of the less educated could be employed  and the pay isn't that poor( better than benefits) ,the Lancashire mills have closed,the shipbuilding is nonexistent except for the hundreds were it was thousands,jobs were labour was needed not education,all gone. Yes let's have tighter controls,work permits ( as Germany with guest workers of the 60's onwards ) ,hell think of the jobs that could be created in border/job/ policing their living here . It was a sad day when didn't vote in I.D. cards under Blair as all our European neighbors have them and passports, that would make the job easier,and "flushing it down the loo" is a big feckin NO NO . So under my administration the RAF would be busy flying the unwanted/unregistered illegals back to their country of origin. Then there's the Brexit question I had a heated conversation with my German daughter-law over the New Year,mainly about the rights and wrongs of the 23rdJune vote , her opinion as a European brought up under the umbrella of NATO and then the EU is the UK is stupid . We would be begging the EU for this and that in a couple of years as we don't produce anything and we'd be broke mmmmmm so I said the 60 odd% that the EU sells into the U.K. from Germany ( 70 billion I believe) or the French farming industry exports would all go down the tubes ,and we only export 35/40 % of our exports into Europe will be feckin tarriffed high mmmmm me thinks who kidding who . I think when it comes and people like Junkers stick their head above the parapet and understand one size doesn't suit all and we won't pay his astronomical wages for being a bully from the smallest country in Europe who was not ELECTED to the job. Yes the coming months are going to interesting,and as long as we believe "We do better out than in " and stop denigrating our home land.All typing and grammatical errors are mine ,but am I a racist?????

January 8, 2017

Joined: March 24, 2015
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Open borders ????

January 8, 2017

Bob, you're not a racist. It's about time the silent majority were listened to. After the EU referendum and the results didn't go the way of the BBC, Nick Clegg and all these other failures (some of them receive cracking EU pensions). They're now saying that we who had the audacity to vote to leave didn't understand what we were voting for. Condescending Bastards! We've now got T. Blair funding a group with £10 million of his dodgy money to reverse the decision. He should be eating Her Majesties porridge in some prison. It just pisses me off. They're in the same category as Gnasher Sturgeon! If anybody would to like to know what the Scottish press think of Sturgeon, log into the Scottish Daily Express, she gets hammered there. I don't buy the newspaper myself, I'm a Telegraph man. I think the Times is to left wing for me.

January 8, 2017

Joined: May 12, 2014
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January 8, 2017

Just watched wee Nicola on the TV commentating after TM's TV interview this morning in which she basically stated Brexit means Brexit, no piecemeal deals, no keeping some bits but not others. Generally taken to mean no single market membership will be negotiated, ergo no free movement of single market EU citizens, border controls back in place for the UK. Anyway Sturgeon claims that such a decision would automatically trigger a second independence referendum."And I am not kidding" she exclaimed. What part of a referendum needs Westminster approval doesn't she get? What part of Scotland doesn't have the financial stability or self sustainability to go it alone doesn't she get? Why does she pretend that diminishing oil revenues will sustain Scotland, that their deficit year on year is trivial, that the extra £1400 p.p. p.a. that  Scotland receives from the Treasury is replaceable if independence was achieved.I confess she does manage to get up my nose!!

January 9, 2017

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January 9, 2017

David, you're not alone with your views. She's not as popular as she thinks she is. The view up here is that she's an embarrassment to Scotland. We all know that Scotland is dependent on the UK Treasury for funding. I should also say look at what Wales and N. Ireland receives as well. Anyway going back to Gnasher, Ruth Davidson is more popular than Sturgeon. Ruth also tears into her like a dog with a bone. it would appear that they've being going over the SNP manifestos over the last 3 parliaments and found that 41ish of their pledges have been dropped. She's fixated with independence. I say call her bluff, she'll lose and have to go. The percentage of Scots who voted to leave has dropped and will continue to do so. As to her appearing on the TV, the BBC give in to the SNP every time so that she gets maximum publicity. When she appears on the TV we switch off.

January 9, 2017

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January 9, 2017

Alfie you are of course quite correct about Wales and N Ireland getting extra treasury income. Latest figures show NI got the most per head at £10876, then Scotland at £10152, Wales was on£9709 and England on £8529. Now, the big difference is of course, only Sturgeon is stupid enough to call for independence none of the others want it. I need to explain that I am in no doubt whatsoever that the Scottish nationalists comprise only a small percentage of the Nation as an entity likewise the anti English contingent. A few rampant nationalists notwithstanding most Scots I come into contact with are of a similar mind to yourself. Apropos Ruth Davidson, I have seen her on Question Time and other programmes, she is a breath of fresh air, just what the Tories need, grounded, intelligent, sense of humour, slightly self effacing but above all upfront and honest. I also concur with your view that Sturgeon is absolutely fixated on independence. Just like Salmond, she wants her name in the history books as the person who set Scotland free from the yoke of English oppression. If independence for Scotland ever did come about I fear her name would forever be associated with the economic downfall of a great country and hardship for its people. What sticks in the craw of many English folk is the extra  £1600 per head of expenditure that Scotland receives more than England pays for free prescriptions, free uni tuition fees etc, perks not enjoyed by us and then we are faced with her whinging, whining cries of how hard done to she feels Scotland is. We need to get back to the times when we were one nation comprised of 4 different but wholly united countries. I am fed up,of the rhetoric, the small but significant rabid nationalists from all 4 of our component countries. It's time to unite, we could even adopt the title United Kingdom. Now there's a thought. Take care Alfie good to debate with you. David. .

March 4, 2017

Joined: May 8, 2014
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March 4, 2017

Now a couple of months into 2017 ,the official figures for migrants into Greece for 2016 and woa and behold what we seen on the reports on our tv screens over the year 70% of all migration was MEN . The other 30% made up of children and families ,now why am I not surprised,open borders my arse


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