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Right of Residence
March 3, 2017

Joined: May 12, 2014
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Right of Residence

March 3, 2017

Lord Tebbitt lost his argument in the recent Lords debate on their proposed, now  agreed, amendment to the Brexit terms. He stated that the rights of foreigners should not precede the rights of our own citizens. In effect he said that any firm Government legislation granting EU immigrants domiciled here, pre Article 50 enactment, automatic rights of residency afterwards should be dependent on the same rights being granted by the EU member states to United Kingdom ex pats domiciled in EU countries. Shame on you cried Lib/Dum Ming Campbell, shame on you for calling them foreigners. These people are 'non UK born citizens of EU member states residing in our country under the EU free movement charter' and they should be addressed as such!!!!!! Foreigners indeed! So, a bunch of unelected toadies, a cabal of decrepit, tree hugging, expenses chasing, geriatric sots, are able to try to thwart the work of the elected Government as it tries to enact the will of the electorate. Someone please explain to me what is wrong with wanting a reciprocal agreement that protects our own before rushing to guarantee the rights of others! TM offered exactly that. Juncker and Merkel turned it down saying no deal before the full terms of Article 50 were agreed. So what do we do? A bunch of hypocritical old farts try to rob us of any bargaining power, potentially robbing our own people of a safety net they demand should be put in place for foreigners. I say foreigners because they ARE foreigners.That is a simple and accurate description it isn't derogatory or inflammatory, just fact. Do we need them immigrants? Yes we do need many of them, those who help run the NHS, those who work hard and pay their taxes, those who contribute and abide by our laws and conventions. But should they all be allowed to stay here if British ex pats are deported from EU countries?  Absolutely not, those we absolutely need should be given temporary work permits the rest sent home. End of discussion. In my opinion.

March 3, 2017

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 1204
Right of Residence

March 3, 2017

David last night on the box was a documentary on the homeless in Cornwall. Most of these persons were drop outs ,drug addicts,alcohol abusers ,mostly British under 30's . Then they interviewed a Polish guy in his 40/50's he was living in a tent and had been for 6 yes 6 feckin years ,when asked why he didn't return to his home country ,he refused to say . Me living in a tent at the side of a woods in Cornwall for 6 wet and miserable years as he was would make me  want to go home ,or am I being stupid ( don't answer that ) What how is he living a fulfilling life ??????

March 3, 2017

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 556
Right of Residence

March 3, 2017

With regards the unelected, over-paid geriatric toadies residing in the Lords quite deliberately opposing the ELECTED government and delaying the wish of the democratic vote of the people by insisting the rights of FOREIGNERS to remain here are paramount, how would they feel / react if the PM gave into them and then the EU refused to allow Brits living / working there  to remain in Europe ? I bet they'd never thought of that - what possible sensible, logical reason can there be to insist foreigners have the right to stay here before a reciprocal agreement is in place for our people ? Hopefully the stupid interference of the Lords will sound the death knell for their institution - if so, it would not only save the tax payer millions but speed up future negotiations ! John (JKW)

March 5, 2017

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 556
Right of Residence

March 5, 2017

To follow on from my previous, now a Commons Select Committee have indicated quite strongly (as the Lords did) that we should legislate that EU citizens residing here should be allowed to stay before such an agreement is reached from those in Brussels. The reasoning ? We should show a lead, which will hopefully (??) ensure the British citizens living in the Euro zone will be allowed to stay there too. What an absolutely blinkered approach ! This Committee also state that we couldn't afford to expel the foreigners because of the work they do (admittedly mostly true), and therefore the EU couldn't expel our people for the same reasons - they seem to forget that the majority of ex pats living in France, Spain etc, are there for the sunshine, mostly retired, and are NOT essential to the medical and service industries as workers & so could be expelled without their loss of  such employees. Furthermore this Committee have brushed aside the fact that a number of the 27 EU countries have indicated they will not back any proposals for allowing Brits to stay in the EU, in the belief that "they'll soon fall into line " - sheer folly IMO, and agreeing to the proposal also removes a major bargaining "chip" that our PM has in negotiating the best deal for us all. Sometimes I seriously wonder whose side some of these MP's & Lords are on - some seem hell bent on making life difficult for all but themselves, with a hidden agenda, or are they just so blind and bigoted not to think with logic & common sense ?  John (JKW)

March 6, 2017

Joined: May 8, 2014
Posts: 199
Right of Residence

March 6, 2017

all this kerfuffle about the term foreigners, if you are not born in the British Isles /United Kingdom then you ARE a foreigner.one of the best ways of giving an example of this, is if you take up residence in Estonia and take dual nationality your issued passport  is red and emblazoned across it in gold lettering at about 150 font is the word "       A L I E N   " this would be more appropriate. Screams unmerciful .


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