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November 25, 2016

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November 25, 2016

Now I KNOW I am approaching biblical maturity as I head towards the three score years and ten life expectancy stage.  I KNOW I am a bit of a fuddy daddy, a bit staid, a bit traditional but I can move with the times when the situation demands. But; my granddaughter's fiancée, who holds a managerial position in a major national retail outlet, walks around in his spare time in ripped jeans. He actually pays good money for torn jeans, in fact he pays a surcharge on them because they are ripped. Not content with hiding at home when he wears them he actually goes into town in them, even worse he accompanies my granddaughter when she visits us wearing them. Ripped jeans, great big holes all over them, knees torn out,freaking great tears across the thighs, wtf is that all about. Stonewashed jeans I get, pre shrunk jeans, I get, designer jeans, yeah I can get my head around that concept but paying extra for jeans that some numptie has sat and ripped apart and is paid to do it because of so called fashion, just won't compute with me.

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November 26, 2016

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November 26, 2016

David it's all about fashion ,designer fashion at that ,I remember when Addidas etc took off and they were the  trainers for the kids ( anyone under 18) ,the worst part if they didn't wear these type of trainers they would be bullied castigated and laughed at by their fellows. Now it's jeans/legging etc looking in tatters ,the more holes the more expensive as you say , I've even seen mature woman dressed such , boys/men have to have a beard with their head shaved on the sides with a quive on top ,and if they are thinning ,head shaved but the beard is longer  the problem they this generation is they are all clones . A few years ago it was jarmies/ dressing gown and slippers for shopping , I wonder where it all going with our youth , iPhones stuck in their ear or headsets on and when I try to get a conversation from the nought generation all I get is blank stir from them . I think as we are to blame because we want our offsprings not to want ,shooting ones foot comes to mind , toooo easy for them ,they are not hungry enough, it's all as they say in the JEANS !!

November 26, 2016

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November 26, 2016

come on now boys, think back to beetle crushers, drainpipe trousers, drape jackets with collars and cuffs in velvet or a different colour, hair brylcreemed and swept back into a D A (ducks arse ), later to change at the back into a boston ( square neck). bootlace ties. clean shaven. ALL change, flower power long hair, beards moustaches, jeans, bead bracelets, and necklaces, sandals, ALL change, mod and rockers, and so on, peer pressure as you say Bob, even in our days in the regiments we all served in, in my case 3DG---RSDG---RH, Denim trousers with creases sewn in,  putties shortened,  weights in the denim trousers so they drooped over the putties, berets worn with the badge in the centre of the forehead, or round the side, instead of centre of badge over centre of left eye, shirts KF with cut down sleeves,  peaks slashed, ( C Sqn right marker  LIAM BRADY slashed his, only had two stitches  1 each side, Nunshigum rehearsal, generals salute, bang in goes the foot, snap goes one stitch, peak swinging left to right, Roy Mills having a mega hissy fit, half the squadron biting their lips the rest of us couldn't stop laughing  Liam and two others marched off to the nick by Joe Duda,  Danny Huxley trying to remember names for fatigues ) a large digression gents, but  the list is endless blue grey brown berets, brown /red trousers. Who was the guy Bob with the long hair under his beret about 15 inches long every thing outside the beret is the armies inside the beret was yours, think he was in the band not sure. I think it proves the point don't you think David, that peer pressure never really goes away, bigger car, better house, better dress better job etc etc, one must remember though that the blank look was called dumb insolence, and you could be charged for it in both senses of the word, I find I have to stand on my hand sometimes to stop me hitting the culprit who has got my ire up. Best pair of jeans I ever had were Flemings jeans from Liverpool, really thick denim, I could not wear them out, the wife through them out didn't like the big 3 inch turn ups on them. Keep smiling boys.

November 27, 2016

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November 27, 2016

Bob ......brothel creepers ......Lybro jeans were the best ( made in Liverpool ) .....but come on paying top dollar for pants with feckin holes in them .....or tattoos all over their back that no one can see especially the owner .....just to name a few

November 27, 2016

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November 27, 2016

Ripped jeans on a trim, pretty young girl CAN be aesthetically pleasing to the eye I do confess but on a guy, especially one in his mid 20s,  just looks dorkish  to me.  The whole concept of paying a premium for some tatty old pre worn and ripped jeans isn't fashion to my mind it's a rip off...............clever play on words there or what! Another thing, what about personalised number plates? Pretentious or what? I wanted one that started off DMF until an American friend pointed out what an acronym it stood for there. Not really, I wouldn't pay a penny for a personalised plate, the good ones cost £thousands anyway. Each to his own though. I remember as a young man when ice blue jeans were all the fashion, really tight ones with beatle boots. Then, after being medically discharged from JLR, I lived for a while in Poole and Bournemouth, became a Mod, Vespa with tons of lights everywhere, reefer jacket or parka with a fur lined hood, multi coloured tailored trousers, hush puppy boots, hair stylist once a month, Donovan, Dylan, maybe The Faces et al on the turntable, those were the days! I would venture to suggest being in your mid to late teens in the 60s was the best ever time to be young, it was for me anyway. Happy days!      

November 27, 2016

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November 27, 2016

Yes the 60's ,when men were men and girls discovered mini skirts and burning their bra ,it's been down hill ever since

November 27, 2016

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November 27, 2016

Fascinating topic this, one I could grouch on forever ! Bob, you asked about the guy with the 15" of hair INSIDE his beret ? He was in the Stables, a great lad & he and I knocked about together in Detmold - unfortunately, his name escapes me, sad I know, but it was 51 years ago ! Talking about fashions changing, on taking over the "big job", one or two on here might remember I got the whole Regiment (SCOTS DG) together in the gym to lay out the do's & don'ts I wanted - I said square necks were acceptable, failing the BFT was not ( & meant automatically "volunteering" for Christmas guard duties, whatever rank you held), and that sideburns could be grown halfway down the ear. Thinking the latter was a popular concession, I was dismayed to find the latest fashion accessory was to shave sideburns level with the TOP of the ear, no-one except me wanted 'em half way down the ear ! Torn jeans on men ? Totally agree,"more money than sense" springs to mind, and anyway, this weather would cause 'em to need brass balls ! John (JKW)

November 28, 2016

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November 28, 2016

you were just upset Bob that after learning to undo the bra with one hand they started to burn them, and also took away that other option of twanging them. and to just extrapolate on the brass balls John, that would be an hilarious inspection, I want to see my face in them ( had to type that three times couldn't stop laughing) , definitely Flemings jeans Bob light blue and made in Liverpool only place you could get them was up in Kensington. Right on the nail there David, Dylan, Donovan, I liked Donegan, Cash, and a lot of the sixties music, as you say Happy days.

November 28, 2016

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November 28, 2016

60's music, by far the best era IMO, from Elvis to the Beatles, Del Shannon to The Swinging Blue Jeans, I love 'em all. With that said, I enjoy loads of later stuff too, Buble, the Rat Pack, Celine Dion, Neil Diamond, West life and even Abba ! To my mind, the greatest all round entertainers were/ are Barbra Streisand & Sammy Davis Jr, true class whether singing or acting. David, how on earth did you fund your Mod lifestyle , including the obligatory Vespa ? It couldn't have been via the 10 bob per week we got at JLR before you left ! Incidentally, private number plate - I've got one ( now on retention) which I've had on 3 different motors - it's T11 JKW, quite appropriate don't you think , there again, I'm a pretentious barsteward eh !?! John (JKW)

November 29, 2016

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November 29, 2016

John I've a bone to pick ,Elvis was the 50's ,the best overall entertainers were the Rat Pack and Sammy was a junior member ,what happened to Lionel Richie or Tom Jones even Engelburt or Tony Bennet and female singers the list is endless ,you coming from the Pool we had Cilla ,Tina Turner Dolly Parton ,Whitney eh I could go on all day about the groups and the country western singers male and female and my all time favourite John Denver . No desert island disc  for you

November 29, 2016

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November 29, 2016

John, you ask how I funded my Mod lifestyle after I left JLR. It was a combination of a good job and accommodating parents. I bought the Vespa from money my dad sent me from the States my parents emigrated  there while I was at JLR. The rest was funded by a job I blagged  as a Silver Service waiter at The Royal Norfolk Hotel in Bournemouth, some days the tips were better than the wages. In the summer I lived on the beach there, kept my stuff in the station left luggage lockers, no payment needed if you knew how! We used the public loos by the beach to wash etc and I showered and changed at work. Great way to save money, we were fed free at the hotel so we had tons of money compared to the pittance we were paid at JLR. I recall LSD was used by many of my then friends, never got into drugs myself, I preferred to be the sober one and take care of the girls, much more fun! All very mellow yellow, I was 17, I had no one to tell me what to do, no rules other than those I made myself, no responsibilities, nothing to restrain me, for the first time in my life I could do whatever I pleased. Talk about sex, drugs and rock and roll, 2 out of 3 isn't bad at that age! Only took a year for me to tire of it and yearn once more for a bit of discipline in my life, in 1966  I rejoined the army at the Recruiting Office in Bournemouth, the rest as they say is history. Like I said the 60s were the best times to have been young, the music, the fashion, the girls, the whole scene was just fantastic. I am so glad I had that year out and experienced what I did. I never looked back after I rejoined, never regretted anything, never felt I had missed out on anything.         .

November 29, 2016

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November 29, 2016

David, I now understand ! The 60's were a great time to be a teenager even if mine was somewhat curtailed by the more disciplined JLR regime at Bovington and my Dad, who thought Elvis & Tommy Steele were terribly bad influences ! Bob, Elvis STARTED in the 50's, but he swept through the world during the 60's, the 70's, the 80's, & even now,40 years after his death his music is as popular as ever. I attended an Elvis tribute concert last Saturday, the Kings Hall in Stoke on Trent was packed to the rafters with people of all ages, and they knew every word of every song - the "King" lives on ! John (JKW)

November 29, 2016

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November 29, 2016

I also love Elvis but I confess I like his ballads the best. Battle Hymn of the Republic is my all time favourite, followed by You Were Always On My Mind. Tragic that a guy who had seemingly everything died such a lonely, broken man. I confess that my own recent sad experience has changed my perspective on life and I can understand how someone can become tired of it all,  I guess he never had the family around him to see him through his bad times. Tragic, but I concur that he was probably the greatest entertainer of all time and he is still one of the biggest earners year on year all this time after his death.

November 30, 2016

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November 30, 2016

Continuing the "Liverpool Theme", The Cavern in its early days was great, smokey, dingey sweaty, but the atmosphere was FAB!!!  There was also the dance hall in Kensington (I think, it was a long time ago) where Ronny Kimpton and I were grabbed by two "ladies" dressed in black from head to toe (except the witch hat) and we had a great evening..... but the problem was that each time we went there, THEY were sitting waiting for us, (I have no idea how they knew  we were back on leave!!!) Trouble was I had a TR6 car at the time, 2 seater, me driving Ronnie up to all sorts on the "dicky seat" ( No pun there Bob!!) behind the 2 real seats with one of the witches, but thanks to all for reminding me of days long gone!!! Got loads of experience there, no mistake!!! But I was not married then, so no trouble Ho Ho!

November 30, 2016

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November 30, 2016

And modesty stops me from saying what the bird sitting alongside me (her on the front passenger seat) was up to when I was driving??? BUT, with the soft top down, it got a bit chilly with what she was up to..... I will say no more...other than it was an experience.....ps.. what has this got to being "Ripped Off"? you may ask, but my lips are sealed...


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