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So where does this leave Brexit????????
November 3, 2016

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So where does this leave Brexit????????

November 3, 2016

I imagine that the people who voted for Brexit will now harden their resolve, and continue the campaign to leave. They, (including me) will be more against not only the EU, but more strongly against the upper crust loons in control of thie country of ours, and therefore be even MORE determined to leave than before. It is about time that our so called leaders understood that WE, the normal people, will be more keen than before to force our legal and parliamentary leaders who actually are supposedly the only ones capable of setting and controlling the rule of law within UK, will be overuled by the uproar and demands from the populace for their stupid attempts to get rid of the Brexit plan, THEY are the idiots who supposedly run this country, but we can soon sort them all out, by votes, not violence, and remove them from office. WE have the final vote, and it will be even stronger for Brexit NOW, after our governing  heads realise they are surplus to requirement. The vote for Brexit will gain more and more strength in the coming months, and Brexit will be acheived, come what may, and these Law Lords will be out in the stix, where they belong. The morons. WE WILL OVERCOME......

November 4, 2016

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November 4, 2016

These morons are jumped up, over rich, underbrained, self satisfied, brain dead products of a society which should by now be well over its sellby date, and the sooner we get real politicians, without the superior selfcentred inbred morons we have in charge at present, the better. I for one would welcome the PM telling these over confident, cocky, self opinionated overlords we now have that they take a trip, to all stand on the highest point of the White cliffs of Dover, then dive off (at high tide of course) and start swimming towards the EU, which they all seem to want as their land of milk and honey.... When they get there, they should then go and ask the EU leaders for a nice cushy job like they had in UK, but no doubt the EU would slap the lot of them in the loonybin for life, since nobody wants such overly self opinionated morons within a million miles of them. Hopefully Very Soon. Stupid "barmen" that they all are.

November 4, 2016

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So where does this leave Brexit????????

November 4, 2016

Democracy eh ? It has allowed a foreign born millionairess  to challenge not only the Government in power, but go against the will of 17.5 million British citizens who voted to leave the EU, by going to the High Court and winning her 1st Round battle. However, democracy also allows the Government the right to appeal to the highest court in the land, The Supreme Court, which I'm confident will rule in Brexit's favour, & wipe the supercilious smile off said millionairess' face - she may have won the battle, but we will win the war ! John (JKW)

November 6, 2016

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November 6, 2016

I fear the appeal may well fail on a point of law. The law lords who unanimously reached their decision to proclaim parliament must agree to invoke Article 50 and the terms of negotiation rather than the government doing so unilaterally have, unfortunately, precedence on their side. The decision to join the EU was taken by parliament and an act of law that was sanctioned by that body. I fear that leaving the EU may well require the same process  The judges who made this decision are also some of the most senior law lords in the land and are unlikely to have misread or misinterpreted the law. Forget for a moment the apparent incongruous ties one or two of them have to the EU and its  legal system, forget for a moment no one said anything about this requirement BEFORE the referendum took place because the elite simply couldn't contemplate the nation voting to leave and forget for a moment that the whole of the EU is laughing at us. Government passes the laws of the land, THEY ask the law lords to interpret those laws when the going gets tough, ergo  the politicians have created this mess through ineptness and stupidity. The voices of the nation count for little, cretins and toads like Clegg, Osborne and other "yesterday's people" are out to reek revenge for being booted out. They have nothing to lose and are using this issue to gain the last vestige of notoriety and media coverage. It is frankly a disgusting mess and will do untold damage to our country, our trade, our economy et al. Brexit WILL take place but the cost will be many times higher than it ever needs to be because we are simply masters at tearing ourselves apart and doing the jobs of those of our enemies and detractors. I can almost hear Junker and Hollande guffawing with laughter, I can almost see Merkel wiping her brow and sighing with relief. We have probably deterred any other EU member who might have been considering leaving from doing so. Still, if Trump wins on Tuesday it might all become academic as we start frantically looking to buy Anderson Shelters for the back garden.  

November 6, 2016

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November 6, 2016

Correct me if I am wrong here David but it was not the government that asked the law lords for their opinion, it was some very well orf people who challenged the PMs right to invoke article 50 without parliament voting on ( hard/soft) Brexit. As you say though Brexit will happen regardless, and watching Messrs Clegg and other disgruntled remainers pouring petrol on the fire, it makes you wonder how they got into power in the first place. I do like your reference to Anderson shelters, however in view of other more dangerous happenings in world I fear even the salt mines of Cheshire would not be deep enough, and of course we have the danger in three or four days of it being compounded. One is an inverterate  money grabbing power mad liar, who does not care about her own people vis a vis  USA Libyan Ambassador. The other is a megalomaniac idiot  God help this world. ( If you believe in him).

November 6, 2016

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November 6, 2016

Bob, the challenge was headed up by a rich business woman called Gina Miller, who wasn't  even born here! The Government was intending to invoke Article 50 at a time of their choosing, when they felt it was most advantageous to the country but within a defined time scale. The whole point was to play our cards close to the chest to get the best possible deal. But; like I said we came into the EU via an Act of Parliament and I am convinced that's how we will leave. It WILL be messy, more MPs are remainers than Brexiteers so it will be interesting to  see how they vote knowing the people who got them in Parliament have a polar opposite opinion to those who want us to remain in the EU. I feel an election in the wind. An election that will set the scene for the Act we need to invoke Article 50 OR stymie it forever. If there is an election it should show Parliament how they have to vote because any  MP who doesn't listen to his or her constituents and doesn't swear to represent those views will likely lose their seats in favour of someone who will listen and act in accordance with the electorates wishes. But hey, what do I know lol. As an aside I am still backing the wicked witch of the west to win on Tuesday as the least worst option, how the hell did the US allow themselves to have to choose between a lying, conniving old woman and a maniac, despotic, racist old man to hold the most powerful political office in the world? Couldn't make it up could you!

November 6, 2016

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November 6, 2016

I'll be glad when the US election is over ! I cannot believe the air time that Sky have devoted to following every nuance of the rhetoric spouted by the nominees - yes I know the result will affect us in the UK, probably the whole world too, but come on, a brief daily report would suffice, not the blanket coverage we're suffering, & have suffered, for what seems like many months. Clinton is the best of a bad bunch, at least can speak, whereas Trump constantly repeats himself when stuck for words, plus he needs a bloody haircut ! John (JKW)

November 6, 2016

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November 6, 2016

That is not hair JKW, it is the remnants of a bald eagle's nest, I was told this by a great yankee, so it must be true???? Ho Ho Ho. The yankee was no less than Mickey Mouse.... and he never tells fibs...

November 7, 2016

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November 7, 2016

John when you consider the major share holder in Sky is an ex Aussy called Murdoch and the owner of Fox News is Murdoch and where does he reside at the moment the USA . Let's be honest Sky reporting is only flashy headline grabbing like the daily newspaper he owns in the UK ( which I won't mention or read ) . TM looks likes she is sticking to her/our guns with the visit to India, and Jeremy has actually seen the writing on the ballot paper saying that he better hadn't do anything stupid or its curtains for Labour,Clegg is still dreaming of days gone by ........and as for each of the devolved parliaments have a vote ,as an old saying comes to mind " in your dreams lassie "

November 7, 2016

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November 7, 2016

Over the past few months I have had endless hours sat beside my daughter in the  oncology centre while she suffered the ignomonies of chemotherapy. Whilst doing so I read countless newspapers and articles surrounding the whole issue of Brexit. I don't believe MPs will actually stop the referendum outcome, I doubt they dare do so. What they will do is try and stop the Government compiling the terms of withdrawal without debating them in parliament. The issue of our continued participation in the single market will form the crux of these debates. Theresa May knows the country's electorate place's huge importance on us regaining control of immigration, regaining control of our borders. To do that we will have to forego membership of the single market because the cornerstone of that club is total freedom of movement of all EU citizens in all EU member states. Merkel and Hollande have clearly stated this is non negiotiable. SO: the SNP will block vote against any attempt to bypass parliament because Mrs Krankie wants us to stay in the EU and sees this as a backstreet way of achieving that, Clegg and his mini LibDums cabal will join in as well because they think we will collapse if we leave the single market, add in the Tory rebels and the Labour remainers and it could all turn tits up as they say in Uzbekistan. This is NOT going to be an easy road to freedom, Corbyn meanwhile is spouting so much nonsense that no one has any idea what he plans to do. If I had to advise Ms May I would tell her to call a general election where the likely outcome would be a sufficiently large Tory majority to stuff the wee Krankie monster and Clotface Clegg and allow Government to get on with doing a deal in the best interests of the country rather than pandering to MPs egos. Since the time of Charles 1 Government has had a so called royal prerogative allowing them to take certain decisions without having to debate them in parliament. If Brexit and the Law Lords change that tradition then it calls the whole issue of the PM's decision making powers into question. Imagine that precedence applying to her power to order our armed forces to intervene in a war or hostilities that threatened us.

November 7, 2016

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November 7, 2016

How we've missed your intelligent contributions David !  One question ; If a General Election was called, & the Tories gained a significant majority (God willing ), how would that alter the Courts ruling ? We'd still have the Remoaners able to slow things down , & whilst I accept a greater majority would strengthen our position, if Parliament must be consulted prior to Article 50 being triggered, then delaying tactics by the "Wrexits" could put us back years I fear. John (JKW)

November 7, 2016

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November 7, 2016

Kind words John, if the Tories had a really strong majority it wouldn't matter if they had to debate their Article 50 date or their planned Brexit terms in parliament because the snide SNP and Cleggites couldn't then hold matters up long enough to make any significant difference.You have almost answered your own question. The court's ruling would still apply but  an early election could still see Ms May's planned timetable come to fruition, there would easily be time enough to adhere to the court's ruling and steam roller the issues through parliament if she had a strong majority.. At present there is enough opposition to seriously stall matters because of  her slender majority. I firmly believe if she goes to the country Labour will get a thrashing because people are sick of the left wing nerd Corbyn and his small band of acolytes, fed up with their elected representatives ignoring their wishes and are ready to stand up for what they believe in. Theresa May knows any election would-be fought and won on the central issue of regaining control of our borders, she also knows achieving that is incompatible with the continuation of our membership of the single market and she is seemingly prepared to concede that. While she steadfastly assets she will only call an election in 2020 at the end of her  current term of office  any major disruptions to her plans, such as the court of appeal decision going against her, may well force her hand. I'm up for it and I really believe an election soon would see off Clegg and co for good, cause enough chaos in the Labour ranks that Corbyn would be finished and give May, who could turn out to be another PM of Thatcher's ilk, a chance to bring some much needed calm and sanity to the whole political stage.

November 7, 2016

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November 7, 2016

Thanks David, for another fine description of the present situation, and your thoughts on the progress of the Brexit exit. Given some proper support, Teresa May should get things on track again. There are a lot of backstabbers in government and opposition,but sanity will out in the end.

November 8, 2016

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November 8, 2016

It's great real thinking on this subject and posts confirming my thoughts on the likely outcome ,especially now the US election is in its final phase. There was so much out and out hate between those parties there is a big job to bring their country together, just thinking the UK hasn't gone to those extremes but the remain crowd and left wing politicians have lost the trust of large parts of the country . Yes the courts have pointed the way to go with article 50,  my thoughts on broadcasting every move on Brexit would be stupid ,yes behind closed doors but I do believe TM will get the best for the country.

November 8, 2016

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November 8, 2016

I have not won the Lottery this week again, something tells me my numbers only start at 1,357,000 onwards, whatever I key in.... Finger trouble again then??


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