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February 29, 2016

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February 29, 2016

Very well put  Bob - Ireland should be a pointer as to what COULD happen if we remain at the beck & call of the EU . Pros & cons, of each decision , without the flannel and / or lies,  needs clearly laying out for the British people so that an informed decision can be made by each of us. At the moment it's more a personality battle - mind you, if Corbyn wants "IN", I'm deffo for "OUT" !! John (JKW)

March 1, 2016

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March 1, 2016

I always try to adopt a balanced approach to complicated and important matters, preferring to contemplate and study the issues at hand before jumping in both feet first, as was my want in my younger days. Thus I am able to say that I do believe Cameron has tried to get us a better deal and it would be churlish to forget that no one else has even tried to do that since we joined the EU. I also believe he is totally passionate in his belief that we would be better off IN rather than OUT of the EU. What baffles me is the following; 1) Why can't he see that his doom and gloom, his scaremongering hyperbole, the over exaggerated claims he makes apropos the likely downfalls of leaving the EU all combine to turn otherwise "fence sitters" against the UK staying in. 2) How has he managed to get so many of our erstwhile Generals and other former top brass to write a letter to the Daily Telegraph predicting dire consequences for our defences if we leave the EU. NATO is the common European mainstay defence pact not the EU, in fact the EU's proposals to form a European army would be an absolute disaster for everyone. Imagine the command and control issues, the convoluted political string pulling!! Germany for instance has a constitutional ban on its armed forces attacking any country other than when Germany itself is under attack. Does anyone truly believe those Generals, Field Marshals Admirals and Air Chief Marshals don't know that?? 3)Why has Government not yet produced a fact sheet detailing the pros and cons of leaving or staying, a fact sheet approved by the Plain English Society and attested as being unbiased, comprehensive and truthful by independent auditors?? 4) Why have the BREXIT bloc not started pulling together the evidence available on how countries who opted not to join the EU have still managed to be successful and trade within Europe as well as globally? 5) How can I, as a rank layperson, see what is needed  when DC, surrounded by advisors, experts, communications gurus et al, seemingly fails to see what is happening and what is needed? I am firmly in the BREXIT camp but I am fully aware there WILL be some disadvantages from us leaving the EU. I would dearly like to know how those disadvantages will actually manifest themselves and how they will be countermanded by the ADVANTAGES of leaving. It is going to be a long and tense journey till the June referendum date!!

March 1, 2016

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March 1, 2016

There is one bright light in this total disunity, tall stories and downright lies - at least when we go, we will be free from Angela Merkel, which should brighten up our lives considerably. The only trouble then would be that soon after the Brexit, loads of EU loving fanatics will all want to leave the EU too... Black Spots all round THEN!!! To help me survive, I am  considering buying body armour, Tazers, Kalashnikoffs, loads of anti submerged craft magnetic mines, a couple of boxes of Compo K rations, etc etc. (AKA life support systems.....) Roll on the vote!

March 4, 2016

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March 4, 2016

Hi all , sitting,thinking ,fed up with this weather ,and feeling a bit frightened by the the threat by a French minister that has told the media (Sky news) that there will be consequences for "Brexit" ,oh boy I'm shaking in my boots .To think a country that had an occupying country ( there best friends now ) thrown out of their place in living memory plus a hundred years before by the forces of the then British Empire/commonwealth and the USA. Didn't anyone tell the French to threaten the UK is wasted all it does is to getting the hackles up ,yes they have camps around Calais now Dunkirk of thousands of migrants and it's our fault ,yep,I see were he's coming from ,if you were able to live in the UK would you live in France ?????? No .So we are going back to Armada days or even 1940,we have the English Channel a navy,and an under employed Army that could easily defend our coast against these migrants the FRENCH can't sort . We as people have never done what a poxy French politician has threatened ever since our Regiment was first formed, I'm sorry MrFrench politician but we are a sovereign nation with the Mother of Parliaments who decide what,when and how we live ,and not a guy from Europe threatening us which way we vote or how to vote ......now I'm waiting for the scare tactics from both sides ......think about it ........then vote OUT

March 4, 2016

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March 4, 2016

I still don't know which way I will vote because I don't know who to believe but that is the price we pay for democracy. Bloody politicians will tell you any thing to get your vote.  As to Angela Merkel I haven't taken a great interest in modern German politics since the Wall came down but seeing the lawless chaos she has created with her open arms migration policy tells me she is far from the strong leader I thought she was. She appears to have sacrificed Germany's very soul just to appease the PC brigade. Methinks she will no longer be the German Chancellor come their next elections.

March 4, 2016

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March 4, 2016

Merkel can never be removed, since the EU do not have genuinely elected politicians, they have a group of leaders who got their names on the board first, then closed the door on anyone else wanting to join or replace these "chosen ones". In fact the only other person allowed to join these "leaders" would of course be the original Chosen One, Jose Moreno.....(enough said!!) May the good Lord protect us from them....Roll on the vote. I can never understand how or why a collection of European independent countries allowed themselves to be gathered together, then have a non elected self important yet stupid group of "government" forced upon them without any cries of "you can not do that", or action to remove these "leaders until they die". Oh, well, at least we Brits did start the revolution against EU, but will it succeed???  

March 4, 2016

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March 4, 2016

The Frog minister saying "There'll be consequences" if we leave the EU - bloody cheek, there were "consequences" when they rolled over the last time the Germans tried to take over ! Border control ? Our best border is the English Channel, and the control can be funded by the massive savings made by not contributing mega millions into the EU coffers. We need to stop all the economic migrants from ever entering the UK, whilst somehow regulating the genuine asylum seekers. We live in a small island whilst France & Germany have  massive landmass in contrast, therefore can obviously accommodate more migrants if they wish to follow Angela Merkel's lead. With the withdrawal of all our troops from BAOR now installed in former barracks / RAF bases in the UK, there's no where for the migrants to be "housed" so they might as well go home IMO ! I still believe this mass exodus of Muslims from their various homelands is a definite attempt to out-populate Christian countries in an effort to take control and install their out dated cultural beliefs across the Western world. John (JKW)

March 4, 2016

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March 4, 2016

John, you got it in one with the Muslim invasion, I have always thought that, and it becomes more obvious every day, with loads of economic migrants claiming to be war refugees, to boost the numbers of muslims in UK. They do not embrace our way of life, or our culture, they are only here for one reason, the takeover of this country.We in UK should ban them all from UK, they are out only to take over this green and pleasant land and turn it into a desolate country similar to the moronic destruction they have created over many centuries in their own lands of birth. Parasites, killers, rapists and more,,,,, If the Pals Battalions of WW1 could see their land of birth full of non "European/ British" muslim families they would be heartbroken to see what their own sacrifice had created, through no fault of their own. Let us remember, and try to put it right.

March 6, 2016

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March 6, 2016

IN or OUT With regards to Europe & the forthcoming referendum, it's quite simple really. Ask yourself in what areas of your life has the EU positively affected you,  your family, or your perception of justice for the UK; when we cannot even expel vile, anti-British hate filled clerics or their supporters from our own shores without it would appear the EUs say so. Ask yourself how an assembly (on another continent) can implement laws in the UK that you don't have any input or influence with. Is this democracy? Being ruled by faceless bureaucrats in Brussels, whom none of us elected & none of whom are accountable to us in the UK, plus non of which you can vote out. It seems our own elected government is benign, when Brussels dictates to us we have to obey. What would happen, for example if UK companies did not submit accounts each  year? They would be banned from trading - but the EU have have submitted nothing for 20 years or more. They answer to nobody. It would be a great advantage to the UK to rid us of "ever closer union" with the EU. What help have they given Greece, who are EU members, as are the Ukraine? Not a lot. If we vote IN we will be stuck with this prehistoric megalith of a state with an overbearing say in our daily lives. They will systematically strip us of our democracy, our sovereignty, fill us with enough red tape to encircle the UK & the EU. Whatever they promise to get the YES vote, you can be sure they'll move the goalposts in the future & ignore any promise or agreements made with the UK They are not to be trusted with our, our children's, or our grandchildren's future. Guess which way I'm voting on 23 June.    

March 6, 2016

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March 6, 2016

There are £56million reasons for leaving, donated every day? week? month? by the UK for sweet Fanny Adams from the EU apart from agro and evasion on the part of the EU unelected leaders... What would the British and Empire dead and maimed from the many wars this country of ours   helped to fight in the many states/ countries of Europe to provide the peace they wanted but could not win by themselves? Better off out, and let them squabble amongst themselves,they deserve one another...Let us be British, Proud and Free once more. We can manage very well, thank you. But I do NOT know about Call me Dave...

March 7, 2016

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March 7, 2016

Now we have the scary German finance minister doing the "gloom and doom" yes The UK can leave BUT it will cost you to be a trading partner.......I wonder what is happening now .....yes as Tom posted 56million a day doesn't count...and I thought if they imposed tariffs on our goods going into EU ,questions to be answered would we do the same on their goods ????....... Eeerrrrmmmm Europe sells more to us than us to them ,FACT ,and our senior guys who want us to stay still put are being scary too,yes we're going to be alone ,but that means the multi national companies (Google etc) wont able to route their UKs sales/tax through the European Union as they do now ,will that mean that German autoes will be more expensive eeerrrrm ?????DC has to be careful he might actually run the country into major problems , we still have live whatever the result in June ,here's a question reading between the lines did they actually give any concessions to the UK ,as with all treaty changes it must verified by all countries via a referendum/or European Parliament,if not its a load of tosh ....and we've nearly 4months to go ,??????????!!

March 8, 2016

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March 8, 2016

Well, well, CamBam has called out the hound, the one who is an "Advisor" to Cam, who gets £93K for telling Cameron to fire one of his government team, just for speaking his mind. I thought Cambam was the one in charge??? And how can an "advisor"type be worth that much, when his boss is not on that much more than 93K? The loons are in charge of the madhouse, obviously. I shudder to think what else this "advisor" is thinking up now?? Making Angela  Merkel the new Queen of  UK??? This fool advisor needs locking up in a padded cell, with a VERY hungry lion as his companion. IF this advisor is worth £93k, then all members of this website should be on at least £1,000,000 each with annual increments of £500k... If this attitude continues, then the Tories will never again be voted in . And then there will be Corbyn and Co.  where is the nearest exit to this world, there must be a better place and governance than any in this world...

March 12, 2016

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March 12, 2016

Can people remember back after the Hillsboro happening how the (spit spit) Sun newspaper did an article on how Liverpool fans ROBBED the dead fans ,later proved a TOTAL lie ,well now they decided to help the IN campaign by smearing the Queen. Even the Guardian has declared that our sovereign would never indulge in politics,let alone have a go at a Minister for his views on Europe. The sooner that ragg of a paper is closed down  for its biased reporting on such stories,that's all they are stories.Nuff said

March 13, 2016

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March 13, 2016

Once more the demand from Buck House  "Orrrf with their heads" for the Sun staff. They would NOT be missed....

March 15, 2016

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March 15, 2016

The tide is turning, the latest polls indicate the BREXIT supporters are in the majority for the first time. I read an article by Gen Mike Jackson recently in which he said he would reluctantly vote for the country to remain in the EU. His rationale for doing so was predicated on a couple of salient, albeit arguable, factors. He believes a vote to leave would likely increase the call for a second Scottish Independence Referendum which he fears well succeed. The impact of a split in the  composition of the UK would, he believes, mean the potential loss of our nuclear base in Fasslane with no where else to put it. That in turn, he says, would reduce our global standing and likely lose us our place at the summit tables of the leading world powers. In essence we would be reduced to "an also ran" in global power terms. He agrees we will continue to suffer a loss of sovereignty by remaining in the EU but he feels that loss is the lesser of the two evils. I have huge respect for Mike Jackson, he was a soldiers' soldier, a man unafraid to speak his mind whilst serving......unlike many of his peer group who found that courage only AFTER they had retired from the services. BUT; I disagree with his reasons for voting to remain within the EU. I contend; if the majority of Scots, knowing the huge economical risks leaving the Union entails , knowing the lies that have been spouted apropos North Sea oil revenues et al, knowing they are barely able to survive financially despite an extra £1450 pp per annum subsidy from the Treasury, STILL want to become independent then so be it, who are we to deny them that (foolhardy) right. They will quickly learn (in such an event) that their ability to meet the stringent economical demands of re-entry to the EU as a stand alone nation will unlikely be met. I also contend; given the enormous coastline that comprises the United Kingdom, there MUST be another appropriate place to base our nuclear subs within its geographical confines.  Finally I contend; the loss of our sovereignty is only ever likely to increase if we remain within the EU. The EU is controlled mainly by a woman possessed, Merkel is completely oblivious to the chaos and global disaster she has visited upon Europe with her "migrants' open door policy". She also desperately craves a Federalized Europe, a Europe that she can control with the rest of us bit players in her mad schemes. Those who think her dangerous and far reaching gaffes in the recent migrant crisis have in any way fatally undermined her position as German Chancellor should think again. German politics is fractured to a far greater extent than our own half baked political structure, it has a multi coalition Government comprised of 5/6 parties. Merkel MIGHT be ousted at next year's elections, she might not, but anyway there are plenty of other German politicians coming up behind her who are no fans of the UK and are equally pro a Federalized Europe. We must leave. There ARE risks in doing so but the risks of remaining inside a crumbling, autocratic, bloc of countries in which there is no coherent leadership or decision making facilities, is too great in my opinion. The current growing and incessant mass migration danger we all face is a product entirely of the EU's own making. To defend our own borders we need the sovereign laws to do so, laws that cannot be overthrown by fat cat Brussels dicators or the rebirth of the Iron Chancellor!!


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