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Syria and “live video on kids “
November 18, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 18, 2016

Where am I coming from ,let me explain , everyday around T time we have charities advertising "starving kids" or "water" etc . So now every couple of days we have video of a kid/kids being recovered from a blitzed building  in Syria , yes I hate the thought of children in a "War " zone and suffering casualtie of the bombing . Yes this war has been going on too long,6 years ( as long as WW11) and peace would be a marvellous happening in Syria and the very thought of needless deaths is appalling . Now we have live pictures of kids being rescued ,my only query is that we have seen bodies being brought out of earthquake building ,crushed lifeless and battered BUT these pictures coming from Syria are too theatrical ,a sprinkling of blood ,large lumps of concrete lifted without damage to the child ,and most a girl ( heart strings pulled ) ,why haven't we seen video of woman being stoned to death for her husbands adultery ,or whipped for not wearing a hijab . No folks this to get more money for liberal mambie pambie do gooders " to save the human race " , but I could wrong ,so next time a kid is saved on the news ,check the sex and types of injuries suffered ???????????

November 18, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 18, 2016

Some good relevant points made there Bob, as was the view that the vast majority seeking refugee status are able bodied males, happily queuing up to get over here by whatever means - where are the women & children they left behind ? With regards the adverts pleading for money, who funds the cost of filming / showing them, or are they "free to air". If paid for, then each showing must cost mega thousands, money maybe better spent on helping those they're saying need our support. John (JKW)

November 18, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 18, 2016

I have to confess that the true refugee children, the ones who really are kids, those who have suffered the trauma of the despicable bombings, gas attacks et al DO tug at my heart strings. I get incensed at the myriad pictures of hordes of 20 something men masquerading as kids and actually being encouraged and licensed to do so by the freaking liberal do gooders who abound in our country. These cowardly cretins are denying the true kiddie victims the respite and care we should be giving them. I have a simple maxim in life regarding the innocent victims in these atrocious wars, what would I do in similar circumstances, how would I want my family to be treated if we were caught up in a war not of our own making, a war over which we had no influence and no escape. The war in Syria has been perpetuated by the ignorance and ineptitude on the part of the west and the quest to preserve the interests of the Russians by Putin. Assad IS a dictator, he IS a despot but we have still not learned the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan. These countries have different values to us, different ideologies, their tribal loyalties are simply too complex for us to understand, they do not do democracy well. We usurp one dictator only for him to be replaced by 20 other dictators, the country descends into anarchy and chaos and then ceases to function as a nation. Meanwhile  millions of innocent women and children pay the price for the bloodlust of minority warring factions.The death of Saddam Hussein achieved very little other than to divide Iraq, the war against the Taliban achieved the square root of nothing, they are back in even greater numbers. Syria will not be freed of Assad, half of Syria doesn't  want that to happen anyway and the alternatives on offer are likely to be far worse than what is currently in power.it is time we accepted the Syrian war will never unseat Assad because he has Russia on his side and the west will not countenance e,barking on a war that would bring it into direct conflict with them.The only viable solution is a concerted effort to eradicate the rebel opposition, helping Assad to regain control of Syria in return for guarantees of a better regime post war cessation. Controversial I know but is there truly any other viable option?    

November 18, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 18, 2016

The answer is "NO" David. After 2 world wars which killed or maimed multi millions of people worldwide we are no nearer to developing a plan to forestall any war, no matter who the warring factions are , and from it all, it shows that the world has not found the way to resolve our problems without brute force and worse.

November 19, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 19, 2016

Tom I David is right ,with a small r ,why ?? well the Middle East has been at war with its selve for nearly as long as records began( bible) . We have dictators over the years Nasser,Gadafi and co who had a strong arm rule of their people ,George W and Tony fucked up by getting the west involved in  Iraq . So 15 years down the line they both are drawing their lucrative pensions leaving us with ISIS who wouldn't have existed before , Lebonon civil war something like 15/16 years back in the 70's . Saudie has a King who's pupped hundreds of kids with their multiple wife's ,and the Royal family is a continuance of dictators ,you'll have noticed that states with "Royal " families are not allowing the pheasants from Iraq,Lybia,Lebonon,Yemen or Syria pollute their peoples prosperity ,keep it pure is the by word in Saudie ,Oman,Qatar etc ,they allow westerners in to do the educated jobs ( doctors,nurses etc ) and from the Far East the servants ,labourers ( slaves) .The west must realise by now that getting involved in Muslim wars will come back to their countries and bite their bums ,as in London,Paris,Madrid to name a few . You are right about the liberal mamby pamby doo gooders learning over backwards to show their humanitarian credentials for the "refugees" coming out of the war zone ( all feckin young men) and as Germany is accepting by the thousands ( which will upset the apple cart there) ,we have the common working class people of the USA ,UK ,France all looking for border controls ( Brexit,Trump ,LePenn ) and Greece/Italy are being swamped . The problem as I see it now is the UK back in the 50/60's got cheap labour from our former colonies to fill the boom of the post war era ,but lots and lots of them were of a differant religion ,now we have 2nd and 3 rd generation UK citizens off fighting a war for their religion ,mostly the kids who'd didn't get a decent job/education etc ,and being of the "me me " generation are easily led to attack the indigenous Brits . Money ,power are at the bottom ,why? ,OIL we use oil we rely on oil to produce energy /transport etc and the person who controls the oil has the power ,as in the case of Saudie Kings ,but they quashed all who didn't toe the line ,me I'd support Assad as he would the lessor of 2 evils .

November 21, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 21, 2016

Why do you think Putin is in the middle east?  the main reason is to get a good foothold in the region to ensure he has good access to the OIL. The  Russian oil supply is a bit like our own north sea supply ie, drying up, and wait for it, it is the wrong type of oil putting it CRUDELY, so it is essential that he has access to the middle east supplies, Russia also has very good relations with Iran, so you can see where I am going with this. When we come to the muslim problem it has been show that Russia, Poland, Nigeria, Japan, to name but a few have looked at the it and have in place, or, are proceeding to put in place various controls, ie, no mosques to be built, in some instances knocking down those already built, no maddrassars, no schools, no social security, no mass meetins, no protest marches, no sharia law, any infringement of any of these results in arrest, jail, and deportment, not only of the individual, but the family and relations, back to their country of origin. Each country has its own, for the most part, a religion that is not of the  muslim/Islamic faith. All of these countries have grasped the nettle so to speak, most European nations have bowed to the politically correct theme and have worn not even kid gloves, but Tiny Tims white inspection gloves which are no good for nettle grasping. Biting the hand that feeds them comes to mind.  I know a lot of different peoples of all religions fought for this country in various conflicts around the world, BUT  those times were different. We must adapt as a nation to this and totally regain control of our borders. It is also time to put our ship builders back to work and build our own naval ship, with British steel, and not Spanish/Swedish/Chinese or any other countries steel, knock on effect, steelworkers back at work, local economies uplifted,  all other suppliers taking on workers in real time jobs as opposed to 16 hours a week and social payment top ups, if China,

November 21, 2016

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Syria and “live video on kids “

November 21, 2016

Russia,USA, can ignore pollution laws we can also, open the mines up to power the steelworks and power stations. I am going off  the original thread, but the navy is down to 19 ships, frigates/destroyers, time for dinner see you later.


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