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April 14, 2020

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The media ie Sky,BBC,etc

April 14, 2020

Okay hold your hand up if you a FED UP with daily questions and REPORTS on the VIRUS,they the reporters are asking the SAME questions day in day out . Even when they get an answer they just keep going ,I suppose it’s why Trump has told reporters off for making no sense of the questions being  asked let alone the answers given. Myself now when the news or newspapers I switch off or go to the sports/cartoons in the rags ,yes we have something that has not been a good thing ,considering that the last time something like this was the Spanish flue of 1918/9 ( my grandparents buried 3 of their children from this epidemic) and some of our people think it won’t get them . That problem is they’re surviving, but spreading  the VIRUS to others who won’t. People are being stupid and the PRESS and MEDIA are just as bad ,nobody knows what’s going to happen BUT IF THEY DO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS THEM this virus will be BEATEN.

April 15, 2020

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April 15, 2020

I’m fed up with the media not holding the Government, PHE and the CMO  to greater account. The PPE saga alone is a national disgrace and most journalists seem content to accept the ‘we are ramping up supplies’ trite answer from the ministers. It’s not just the NHS. Most care and nursing home staff are working with the most vulnerable and susceptible cohort in society with  little or no PPE whatsoever. There is NO central plan to test symptomatic nursing home residents and that is likely a major contributory factor to the spread of Covid-19 in so many homes. One home had 16 Covid deaths in a 2 week period, staff had hardly any PPE and no testing was available to isolate those residents with symptoms. We simply do not know how many nursing home residents in the UK have died from or with this virus. We DO have to obey the edicts of Government but I am wholly unconvinced the Government, led by PHE and the CMO are properly on top of handling this crisis. I am under no illusions about the complexity of dealing with this pandemic but we always seem to be behind the curve playing catch up. Trump is mad with the media because of the crass and stupid way he initially handled the US reaction to the virus. I have listened to his early/mid  March orations dismissing the virus as another flu scare basically, by which time half of Europe was in its grip. Today’s announcement he is suspending US funding of the WHO is cleverly designed to distract from the rising death toll in America, primarily amongst the black and poorer communities. That said his statement that the WHO aided and abetted China in the initial cover up and the then down playing of the Wuhan outbreak is probably correct. I also find the wall to wall TV coverage of the virus off putting. The daily ministerial briefings are trite and rarely produce concrete answers to any questions asked, the constant predictions and projections of doom and gloom will eventually cause the population in great part to lose heart and start to rebel. The real problem in all of this is the fact we have NO plan. No Plan A no Plan B. No exit strategy no phased return to normality. The current ideology that public health is more important than the economy is right but it isn’t sustainable for that much longer. The ‘cure’ will, over time, become more damaging to the economy and society generally  than the disease it is meant to mitigate. Apropos no one knows what will happen, that is correct but we know the various possible scenarios and we need plans for each of them.

April 17, 2020

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April 17, 2020

Much as I dislike the London Mayor Sadiq Khan, I tend to agree with his assessment that face masks should be worn when out in public, particularly on his Tube trains where passengers have no chance of social distancing. It wouldn't stop a wearer from contracting the disease but would surely help with the spread of it by a mask wearer (possibly unaware of) being a carrier & coughing or sneezing in public. In my view, ANYTHING & EVERYTHING to stop this terrible blight on our health is worthwhile & should be enforced. Of course, the problem arises as to where sufficient masks could be sourced & how they would / could be distributed. I'm sorry to say that Hancock & co are NOT instilling too much confidence in me of their abilities to fully grasp the situation - using the "we must await more evidence before acting" etc is poor - other countries are providing the evidence in many ways so use their experiences ! IMO, Boris is needed back fully in charge to lead this fight, so just hope he gets fully fit soon. John (JKW)

April 19, 2020

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April 19, 2020

The media, particularly Sky, are now certainly holding the Government to account, especially regarding PPE. Unfortunately they seem to have gone overboard IMO, as tonight ; 1) "The promised delivery from Turkey has been delayed" (no mention of the fact it should be here tomorrow). 2)" The number dying today has reached 596" (no mention that it is almost 300 less than yesterday's tally, or that the first patients were able to leave the London Nightingale Hospital) 3) " The UK sent PPE to China in February" ( no mention that we were helping a vital trading partner deep in the cack with a virus problem that, at the time, was not affecting us here). 4) Sky & the BBC seem to encourage their interviewers to go for the jugular a little too much IMO, plus allowing Starmer to fall back on Labour's old tricks of condemning all things Government, despite him stating that he wouldn't stoop to those levels perpetuated by Corbyn (who !?!). 5) We need to be told some GOOD news at this time, however small, because we, the general public, are getting fed up of hearing the "death score" as the Top Story on every news bulletin. - yes, it needs recording, but give us some good news first. 6) Incidentally, the mega millions raised for the NHS - what is it being spent on ? I heard that a charity collection wanting people to donate £5 for a 5 km walk / run (5/5) was administered by Virgin, who took a percentage of the profits for themselves - scandalous, although have now been shamed to stop the practice. Yes, a lot of improvement is needed, mistakes have been made, but a lot of really good work has been achieved, not just by the NHS, but in many other spheres too. The vast majority of countries affected by this deadly disease have had mega problems too - we should not condemn our own who are under immense pressure and are trying extremely hard to get us back up & running again ;  they need our support much more than they need criticisms. John (JKW)

April 19, 2020

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April 19, 2020

Hmm, not sure the Government are helping themselves really. Some of the ministers they are putting up for interview are crassly unprepared, don’t answer the questions, stutter and stumble over things they really should know. This morning the social care minister didn’t know how many people had died in care homes, the figure was blazoned all over the Sunday papers. Yesterday a junior health minister didn’t know how many NHS deaths were attributable to Covid-19. That is unpardonable, deeply embarrassing and totally inept. I absolutely concede that this pandemic is s beast, mistakes have been made by many other countries,  no-one is perfect  and clearly Government IS doing its best. Sadly that ‘best’ isn’t good enough in my professional opinion. They had the advantage of learning from other countries  mistakes in the early phase of this disease hitting us and steadfastly didn’t take those opportunities. As an example. The EU offered the UK the chance to join their consolidated procurement process to access  global PPE supplies. We never even answered them. Yesterday a Government ‘source’ said the message ‘had gone astray’. We failed to get UK factories geared up to producing PPE on anywhere near the scale we need despite many firms offering to do so. The Government has repeatedly lied about shortages of PPE,  it has hitherto abandoned care homes and the true mortality figures from those homes, once released by ONS, will likely shock the nation, if the true figures are ever published. The Government has made a complete hash of testing. Test centres that have been set up often turn away NHS staff for a multitude of reasons. There are loads of fb  articles sent in by frontline doctors and nurses to that effect. Private laboratories belatedly brought on board by the Government to analyse the tests report a shortage of available analytics and send staff home at lunchtime because so few tests are reaching their labs. I have spoken to many my former NHS colleagues in the past weeks. Many are at their wits end and have little or no faith in the Government and PHE’s  handling of this pandemic. I personally know of NHS hospitals chartering flights to China to purchase PPE so desperately needed. But even now the Government is relying far too heavily on China and Turkey to produce the stuff for us, far too little efforts being made to resurrect the many idle UK factories to home produce There are so many other issues that need addressing better. I WANT to support the Government, I WANT them to succeed, I WANT the country to unite and beat this pandemic but I sadly have little confidence in their responses thus far. JK you ARE correct about the figures. How sad is it when we are relieved that “only”  596 died in the past 24 hours. What about telling us the number of folk who have had the virus and recovered from it!  This constant daily doom and gloom may well soon demotivate many and start to undo some of the benefits we are beginning to see from the lockdown. So, the Government do need our support, but we need a Government that is open and honest. A Government that doesn’t keep changing the goalposts, one that has a viable strategy and one that listens and learns. They don’t inspire confidence in me that they are doing those things!  

April 20, 2020

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April 20, 2020

The one thing about this VIRUS is that the people who are paying anything from £500_£1000 a week for their care ,now these are privately run homes for the elderly. These old folk in these homes are having to wait for PPE kit that we the tax payers are buying for the NHS because the homes do not have sufficient stock . The other fact is that the people who dying from the VIRUS are not being included in the daily numbers of death . So why isn’t the media going after the private care home as apposed to having at the government,remember we have never had this type of emergency since WW2 . Now people are fed up with the isolation restrictions imposed by Boris and Co,wanting to go out again into the big bad world like Germany . Being in Ireland we have small numbers compared to the UK,only 670 deaths but they have to realise that they only small numbers, BUT yesterday they had 77 deaths that’s over 10%of total deaths so it’s not getting better ,like Japan tried it and have another outbreak increase. So I’m happyish on being isolated as long that both myself and Kay are still around at Xmas ,so guys keep safe it could be worse .

April 20, 2020

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April 20, 2020

  • Bob, your point about care homes is only partly right. Firstly about 25% of UK care homes are council owned. Secondly even those in private nursing homes remain patients of the NHS and deserve care and treatment provided by that august body. Many GPs won’t visit care homes because of the lack of PPE.  Care home residents have paid their taxes and NI contributions all their working lives. Not only that the tens of thousands of staff who work in these homes live in the community. They work in a perfect virus spreading environment amongst old, vulnerable, chronically ill, hugely susceptible people devoid of PPE. Whatever the failings of the owners of these homes are the Government has a duty of care to the residents and staff. The issue of the number of care home Covid related deaths not being available is explicitly NOT a care home responsibility. Death certificates are signed by NHS doctors, it used to be two signatures required now in the crisis just one suffices I believe. Delays in post mortems, establishing cause of death etc and the collation by ONS ( office of national statistics) are the causes of the lack of clarity on care home mortality statistics. Public Health England (PHE) seem out of the loop. That’s why the media aren’t going after the owners. Public support for lockdown is high at present, 87% if we can believe the stats, but that level of support will be time limited. Especially as we witness progress in Germany who have 20 million more inhabitants, 30,000 more cases but only 25% of our ( considerably under reported) death rates. Things could be worse as you say but not for the relatives of the over 16, 000 hospital deaths and likely 5000 care home deaths when the figures are finally collated.
  • It may seem as if I am being a ‘glass half empty’ pessimist and I suppose I may be. But given my knowledge of health resilience planning, our ( lack of) preparedness for a pandemic, many of the baffling decisions being taken by PHE and Government, the half truths etc etc coupled to my discussions with some of my erstwhile NHS colleagues I am not filled with confidence. Sadly. I really do want Boris et al to succeed and lead us out of this crisis.


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