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The N.H.S has gone past its sell by date
May 28, 2016

Joined: May 8, 2014
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The N.H.S has gone past its sell by date

May 28, 2016

watching the Beeb news about help given by the NHS to our future citizens , mainly mental health problems were the kid/young adult is harming or comitting suicide . Yes in 1948 when it was started it was brilliant coming as it did after WW11 and then medicine was in its infancy for a large range of problems and the population was 50ish million,and life expectancy was a lot shorter ,for example my dad passed at 52 . Costs have increased ten fold and we expect literally the NHS can do everything , now in the 21st century with a population of 65 million with a lot of young people being stupid with drink/drugs and just the pressure of expectations is causing mental health self harm . The government have brought into place a 7 day 24 hour service but that's only making the system catch up to demand , my oldest granddaughter works in a G.P's practice in greater Manchester ,4 doctors 8-10 k patients ,mostly immigrants who can't speak English , her complaint is they are just abusing the system ,by wanting instant service. Then there is the problems with AE or the ambulance service abuse , turning up with silly complaints blocking treatment for the real needy patient ,l remember my time as a medic working in BMH Tidworth back in the early 70's ,yes we were military but we looked after the garrison families too but we never had the problems the front line medics are having now . It seems the more we ( NHS) cure/fix up the more the system is abused ,example drunks in/ on the weekend , my thoughts are if you can't hold it don't feckin do it and that goes for drugs too. Now on to the old ( me/you) nursing homes due to ill health and medicine keeping us alive are being closed due to the staff being violent with their care and costs of just looking after us,that problem means beds in our hospitals are being used for the wrong purpose ,if you remember most old informed in days of old were looked after by their family at home ,now palm the NHS with the problem. Yes people can take out private health care ,I had that when I worked allowing me to more or less instant problem solving for my family ,and my son in Germany has family private health and with 2 teenage sons uses it regularly ( broken leg 3 weeks ago) good idea if you have the brass and a young family,so we're back to services at breaking point with help to the young ,but can the service provided be everything to everyone ????? and can it in its present form/organisation survive ?????

May 28, 2016

Joined: May 12, 2014
Posts: 685
The N.H.S has gone past its sell by date

May 28, 2016

There can never be enough money to fund people's expectations of the NHS, people will never be prepared to pay taxes to that level and politicians will never have the balls to raise taxes to that extent or to tell people that the NHS can never be all things to all men (and women). I can tell you without fear of contradiction that people die because the NHS, NICE, politicians and or the Government consider the price of saving their lives to be simply too high. There are drugs available to treat many terminal illnesses that are considered to be cost ineffective i.e.unaffordable. Add into the equation the enormous waste in the NHS, the cost of treating  hundreds of thousands of  immigrants, many of whom do not contribute to the taxes that fund the NHS, the health tourist cons that abound, the disgustingly high salaries paid to many NHS fat cats, the fact people live far longer and demand much more and the NHS hangs on by a shoestring. There are countless examples of outstanding care being delivered in our NHS but there are an equal number of examples of appallingly bad care being given. Politicians are frightened by the NHS, trying to make very necessary major changes is a guaranteed vote loser, the whole NHS system is controlled by the various unions. Look at the recent junior doctors strike, it WAS entirely about money,  any thoughts that their assertions it was to do with patient safety is an outright lie; as today's revelations prove. But the Government's attempts to facilitate a proper 24/7 NHS service met with ridicule and disdain and the gullible public mainly supported the striking doctors. So my answer to Bob's question is; no the NHS isn't past its sell by date but it is on its knees and it cannot survive in its present state, without major change, for much longer.      

May 30, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
The N.H.S has gone past its sell by date

May 30, 2016

And it should be free only for the taxpayers in, and those born in UK. All others can be treated in NHS hospitals in UK, but they must pay the real cost of their treatment. No ifs, buts or otherwises....

May 31, 2016

Joined: May 5, 2014
Posts: 557
The N.H.S has gone past its sell by date

May 31, 2016

My youngest daughter (not so young now) is a Band 8a and has worked in numerous posts within the NHS. She openly admits it's run on a "crisis management" basis, with far too many senior positions either duplicated, or given to people previously found to be incapable of performing their primary role, & who then fail to "manage" in their new post. Money is wasted in so many other ways too, from procurement to "bank" shifts, where those with nursing qualifications (past or current) can earn absolute fortunes stepping in to cover staffing shortfalls - bed blocking is another area of wasted resources, simply because insufficient staff / agencies are available to enable  patients to be released and still receive the necessary  after care. With regards A&E, especially at drunk/drug affected weekends, and the abuse ambulance staff also suffer, and the "tourism" cases, and the immigrant "explosion" of patients demanding treatment (without paying), and....and.... - the list is almost endless, and must be addressed if the NHS is to survive. Hopefully the money saved by BREXIT will help fund the the action desperately required ! John (JKW)  

June 2, 2016

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 977
The N.H.S has gone past its sell by date

June 2, 2016

JKW,  Shame really, ref the NHS, I think I have just seen a couple of cows (milk producing types) flying over..... I would hate to be in the NHS, as the vast majority suffer abuse and worse, from those they are trying to help, as you so rightly say... But Brexit may help the NHS staff...


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