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June 9, 2017

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June 9, 2017

So, as we feared, not only no absolute majority but a hung parliament. It is the worst possible outcome other than an outright Labour win. The youngsters were out in their tens of thousands voting Labour on the promise of free uni tuition. The lack lustre centralist, complacent and negative Tory campaign was repaid by the electorate, many of whom see Corbyn as a refreshing, anti establishment politician who will end austerity by borrowing £hundreds of billions and giving it away to the less well off. Brexit will now be so much more difficult, the Eurocrats must be laughing in their beer. I am dismayed and appalled, my mood lightened only by the kicking the SNP got and the loss of Salmond's seat. Perhaps we needed a Ruth Davidson in England. But, for all that, Clegg got the boot as well the backstabbing, smarmy, smug creep finally paid the price for his treachery so every cloud DOES have a silver lining. TM now needs the DUP to prop her up, I forecast that as an unreliable and potentially volatile political marriage and a second election within the next 12monthswould not surprise me at all. Let's not even get into internal Tory power struggles!!!

 

 

June 9, 2017

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June 9, 2017

David as posted on posts of yours and Johns ,FUCKED ,now the EU is going to have a field day over Brexit. Can any one remember what South Rhodesia did back in the 70's  U D I , is that a possibility if the EU negotiations go Tits up ????????

June 9, 2017

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June 9, 2017

Turn off the traditional core vote of the elderly via the abolition of the WFA, the denigration of the triple lock, the barmy social care policy that then had to be retracted, add in the youngsters almost ALL starry eyed about Cotbyn's promise of free uni fees etc and the surprising thing is the loss was only 12 seats.i concur with Bob's one word analysis. Relying on the DUP makes the likelihood of a second election within 12 months an almost foregone conclusion. A pro UK Brexit deal will be not just difficult but almost impossible now. We go to the negotiating table weakened and bloodied, the Eurocrats will use that to their advantage. The EU couldn't have wished for a better outcome! Like I said Bob sums it up succinctly!    

June 9, 2017

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June 9, 2017

Turn off the traditional core vote of the elderly via the abolition of the WFA, the denigration of the triple lock, the barmy social care policy that then had to be retracted, add in the youngsters almost ALL starry eyed about Cotbyn's promise of free uni fees etc and the surprising thing is the loss was only 12 seats.i concur with Bob's one word analysis. Relying on the DUP makes the likelihood of a second election within 12 months an almost foregone conclusion. A pro UK Brexit deal will be not just difficult but almost impossible now. We go to the negotiating table weakened and bloodied, the Eurocrats will use that to their advantage. The EU couldn't have wished for a better outcome! Like I said Bob sums it up succinctly!    

June 9, 2017

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June 9, 2017

I got it the first time David !! The fact TM didn't see the error of her ways as the campaign progressed (or didn't, in her case), shows a gullibility, naivety or just plain arrogance in her character / make-up. If her advisers did their job and pointed out the mistakes, then "arrogance" is the word by ignoring them, but if they didn't, then they should be sacked. Either way, being so out of touch with what was going on around them, in ignoring Corbyn's surge in popularity & the reasons why , and failing to engage effectively with her core supporters, has not only left her politically deeply wounded & vulnerable, but plunged this great country of ours into turmoil. I too believe we'll be heading for another GE within 12 months or so - if there was anyone strong & capable enough now to take over the reins (please, not Boris !) and be taken seriously by our EU "friends, then I would have hoped TM would have resigned today because of her appalling campaign which led to the rise of Comrade Corbyn. This election was meant not only to give TM a huge majority, but to also smash Corbyn into submission, with his own Party then  demanding he go - instead, he rises from "political ashes" grinning like a Cheshire Cat, whilst TM suffers the ignominy & humiliation of near disaster. The SNP leader, Wee Nicola, stated it was a "disastrous night for the Tories" - it wasn't exactly a resounding success for her Party either, losing far more seats (21) than the Tories did overall ! Her big hitters, Robertson & Salmond, got the boot, and her Indy2 obsession I reckon, is now dead in the water, with a resurgence of the Conservatives in Scotland a real eye opener  - not since Maggie has a Tory managed anything up there ! The icing on the cake for me was to see that smarmy two faced  barsteward Clegg, lose his seat - no doubt he'll still crop up like a bad penny espousing his views on anything from feeding the "250,000 starving school kids" free meals, obstructing anything to do with Brexit, and  generally ensuring he becomes ever more a paid up member of the lucrative After Dinner Speakers circuit . For the time being at least, we're stuck with TM as our Leader & Prime Minister , someone I genuinely believed was up to the job - now she must prove it, by changing her tack somewhat, loosening the "austerity reins" , getting a real grip over the Islamic problem, recovering some, if not all, of the Foreign Aid (tax payers) money, and learning quickly how to restore confidence in her ability to negotiate the best Brexit deal for us all. Pie in the sky ? It worked for Corbyn !! John (JKW)

June 10, 2017

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June 10, 2017

One thing I'm glad it's over as I was fed with E-mails from T M and her team sometimes 3 a day ,now they might stop ???

June 10, 2017

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June 10, 2017

Amidst all of the hyperbole, the rhetoric and the media frenzy let's just take a step back and analyse things for a moment: 1) Despite making significant gains Corbyn still suffered a significant defeat. 2) Despite running an appalling lack lustre campaign, ignoring the younger voting element, upsetting the traditional older Tory core voting element etc Theresa May still gained significantly more seats then Labour.. 3) The results of the election are bad for everyone. Only the Eurocrats waiting to discuss Brexit terms are happy with the outcome. The country as a whole will likely suffer as a result of a TM's complacency and her reliance on the election tactics of a dodo. 4) The 'coalition' with the DUP is as tenuous as the heat resistance of a chocolate fire guard. There will almost certainly be another general election within the next year adding yet more instability and insecurity to the whole process of government and Brexit. I see no obvious replacement to Theresa May albeit Amber Rudd and Boris are undoubtedly already garnishing their supporters for such an eventuality. I fear even a second election will not provide the clarity and decisive majority needed to form a government that has the backing of the majority of the electorate. 5) The only good thing to emerge from the whole fiasco is the almost certain 'death' of an Indy2 referendum.

June 11, 2017

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June 11, 2017

Like you Bob I'm also glad it's all over even though it may only be for a short time. Perhaps we should lighten our gloom up & start a Sweep Stake for who could be next Prime Minister. I think it could be a 3 horse race between Johnson, Davis & Rudd. Anybody ant thoughts on the matter.  

June 11, 2017

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June 11, 2017

Here's a thought can we still have a prime minister in the House of Lords,as Hesiltine is raising his head again??????????

June 11, 2017

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June 11, 2017

Heseltine will not happen, we should all be watching for the night of the long knives, Davis is ex military and Rudd made a reasonable fist of it, as has been pointed out the DUP are only going to be in it for themselves, Sein Fein will not sit in Westminster, ( I think the rules should be changed, not sitting/swearing the oath , not doing the job elected for in a UK province strike down their result and pay). Ruth Davidson now becomes a worry however good her efforts north of the border, because  her sexual persuasion and same sex marriage, is not compatible with DUP thinking , a further chink in the armour is the border problem, then there is the impartiality of the NI Commission between Sein Fein and the DUP, the can of worms gets even bigger each day.

June 11, 2017

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June 11, 2017

None of our so called leaders is up to running a Punch and Judy Stall, never mind a sad little country, (once a World leader) so I will be digging my self build bomb shelter very soon, but have not decided on which size shovel to use... none of our so called "ruling clarss" looks fit to run an egg and spoon race never mind a couple of whelk stalls..... my out of date half working oracle is playing up too, where is Churchill when we need him?? At the end of a LARGE cigar and a Very Large   double strength Malt whisky I suppose, telling God it is not HIS fault this time.... Hey Ho, off they go,  

June 11, 2017

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June 11, 2017

One aspect that hasn't really been discussed in this 'unofficial coalition' is the thorny matter of devolved powers. The DUP cannot vote on any Government bills that relate purely to England. It's a nightmare waiting to happen. But; on the other hand, a Corbyn led coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib Dems would be even more hostage to fortune, the SNP likewise couldn't vote on English matters and Labour and the Lib/Dems would easily be outvoted by the Tories. This whole election has produced the second worst possible outcome.

June 11, 2017

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June 11, 2017

Yep, and the reason there'll almost certainly be another one this year -     " what if " ...........TM hadn't called what in effect was an unnecessary election, had not allowed such a poor manifesto to be published, had utilised the thoughts & use of more of her Cabinet members, had not let Corbyn outsmart her regarding  the TV debates, had not gone overboard uttering "strong & stable leadership" whilst portraying the opposite especially regarding the "dementia tax" debacle, she had  generally communicated to a wider outside  audience in person instead of small indoor groups, she had realised  the groundswell of support from the young for the Corbyn doctrine, and above all, TM had not alienated her core supporters........WHAT IF ? Now we'll never know. John (JKW)

June 12, 2017

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June 12, 2017

Taking bets on how long this Parliament will last ,remembering the 60's with Harold Wilson was 3 in 2 years ??  As Bob posted about the DUP and Scottish Tories being at the other end of the spectrum on gays . Then here in Ireland all the talk is about the border ,hard or soft ,well with everyone speculating this or that , the problem is what is/are the EU negotiaters going to IMPOSE ?? Then we will see what sort of backbone the Tories have ,they can only react to what's on the table ???????

June 12, 2017

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June 12, 2017

Strangely enough the biggest threat to TM could well emanate from another woman, someone who enjoyed the single biggest election success. Ruth Davidson. Forget the gay thing and the DUP stance on it, she has bigger fish to fry. She is a soft Brexiteer campaigner, a 'stay in the single market' supporter. She is already flexing her muscles on this very subject, advocating cross party discussions on Brexit to achieve a strong, coordinated negotiating position. Her ideology apropos strength in numbers can hardly be faulted but her leanings towards a Norway type Brexit deal which encompasses not only a hefty annual trade bill apropos their continued membership of the single market but also the free movement of immigrants edict that comes with it, is at odds with the hard Brexiteers. Controlling immigration was of course one of the cornerstones of the Brexit campaign and any volte face on that subject would produce chaos within the electorate. We can now expect a reversal of much of TMs election manifesto. The triple lock denigration, the loss of the WFA, the Grammar Schools expansion will almost certainly be removed from the Queens Speech, the DUP are reportedly demanding an end to the hounding of troops from historical charges arising from the NI troubles and an end to the bedroom tax. Neither issues that would go amiss with many Tory supporters or myself I must confess. TM has lost control, her weakened position and humiliation at the polls has left her vulnerable and she has become a marionette whose strings will be pulled by the likes of Boris, David Davis, Amber Rudd and other party 'strongmen/women' she needs to keep her in power. Only the realisation that usurping her would trigger another  election is holding the 'would be King or Queen' waiting to succeed her from mounting a challenge. It is difficult to see any discernible light at the end of this tunnel but the thought of a Corbyn led alternative Government just scares the 'sh one t' out of me.  

June 12, 2017

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June 12, 2017

like I mentioned in previous post the issue of the north south border will dominate what happens in NI, I also take note David about Ruth Davidson, splendid job her and Mundel did in Scotland for the Torys, however this now puts her on a par with the DUP should she like to turn bandit, crazy times in the offing, I think the Torys will rally behind the flag to try and prevent another election, it is in their own individual interests to do so, it would be to their advantage to try and muzzle Soubry and Morgan.  Just an aside, it is on the grapevine that the DUP would like to see Nigel Farage on the Brexit negotiating team considering his EU experience, he has said he is quite prepared to put party differences aside and fight for the UK ?????? Hmmmmm.


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