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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland
December 2, 2017

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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland

December 2, 2017

Where to start ,okay the United Kingdom has promised (???) to pay for our leaving the EU ,not bad numbers either €£50 billion in anyone's currency. Thats to get the trade talks going next week or so ,but Tusk was in Dublin saying unless we give Northern Ireland away and have a borderline in the Irish Sea it will not be a good time for the United Kingdom. What's the background to this ,well a country that exports about 70/80% of its products to the United Kingdom,has a population of greater Manchester,has always been the first stop for work or immigration to for its citizens. A country that has about 1 to 2 million visitors from the United Kingdom every year , or like me retired to. For the last century this state has been at war with the UK well the IRA now Sinn Fein , everything English is blamed for their woes since the famine or Cromwell. There is more much more underlying problems that the "English " get blamed for but that's for a later discussion.

So the British government is bowing to the idea of paying a divorce bill ( loads of money) to an organisation that hasn't audited its books for 20 years or so and because of their mismanagement of previous budgets are up the creek without a paddle. Here's a thought so the United Kingdom gets a deal on trade etc and the Prime Minister of Ireland thinks a border between Ireland and the British is not to his liking,we will get nothing ( even with all that money's) .mmmmmmm. Now will Teresa May and the Brexit negotiating team say that's enough,NO DEAL is better than a deal dictated by a country that has relied on the United Kingdom for all of its existence.

We never bowed to dictatorship in the past and have been more than fair taking in 3to4 millions of EU citizens over the this century for work etc let alone illegal migrants,all putting pressure on our infrastructure of health or housing. So this payment could be used to help the people already here ,let's call their bluff what the worst they can do ,bomb us ,stop selling their valuable cars,wine etc ,or even send the British abroad home ( 1 million or so includes me) ???? Yes we only have a defence force now ( thanks conservative politicians) but being dictated to by non elected politicians of the European Union Tusk and co ,they could run a border in the counties of Fermanagh,Tyrone etc fairly well . The more I see how the United Kingdom is being ripped off the more I find this organism called the EU can feck off ,consider that we gave them this FREEDOM with our parents generations sacrifice NO MORE!!!!!

December 2, 2017

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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland

December 2, 2017

I recall Osborne, when he was still Chancellor of the Exchequer, telling us how we must stand by Ireland in its hour of need. Despite our own financial woes we 'lent' them between £7 and £12 billion, depending on what reports one believes. Good to see them, as old and trusted friends, repaying our loyalty. Ireland couldn't survive without a huge chip on its shoulders about the feckless English. Each and every one of their problems can be traced back  to England if you look hard enough and stretch the facts far enough. That aside, I said before and I will say it again, the price of agreeing a deal will simply be to great for us, the EU will just turn the screws further after each concession we make. Nothing we agree to will be enough until the EU has made us pay for daring to leave, that price must be high enough and damning enough for it to act as a huge deterrent for any other EU member contemplating leaving. To make matters worse, Merkel is trying to form a coalition with the SPD in Germany, they are the equivalent of the Labour Party here. The SPD are demanding Germany moves much further towards a federalised Europe as the price for forming a Government with Merkel's CSU party. They demand she acquiesces to the French plans of having a single EU budget with a single EU finance minister as a start. It is time to cut and run. Time to tell the EU to stick their bill where the sun no longer shines and take our chances!!

December 4, 2017

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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland

December 4, 2017

Here's a thought on the politics of this week ,Brussels,Dublin etc . They (27) are dragging their feet ,making threats,wanting ridiculous sums of money hoping the government will wilt to their harassment. My thought is "if you leave an egg boil tooo long all you get is a very hard boiled egg " so is a "Hard Brexit " coming down the line ,just a thought ?????????

December 5, 2017

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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland

December 5, 2017

I reckon it's time to call the tune ourselves rather than let the EU (& Ireland) dictate things, & with regards Ulster putting their spoke in proceedings I just hope NONE of the £1billion promised them to support the Government has, or will be, paid until any deal is passed. TM must be tearing her hair out at the obstacles being thrown at her , knowing her full well much of it is self inflicted by calling the Election. I can see us making a clean break without a deal in place, or possibly through a "No Confidence" vote, a GE being called next year. John (JKW)

December 5, 2017

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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland

December 5, 2017

Here's what I don't understand! TM went to the latest discussion KNOWING she had no answer to the Irish border issue, or at least no answer mutually  acceptable to Eire and the DUP. If we park the £1 billion bung for a moment, the DUP  MPs would be voted out in an instant if they agreed to NI being treated differently to the rest of the UK in Brexit terms. John, you are right, many of these sticking points are self inflicted, we just don't seem to have a thought through exit plan, one that has a Plan B for every eventuality. In this instance I don't think we even have a Plan A. If a GE was called any time soon I just don't know what the outcome would be. I strongly suspect though,  it might provide a minority Labour Government. A Labour Government willing to sell its soul, and that of the nation, to regain control and ruin us. Back to Brexit plans. We were obviously playing hardball on the divorce bill we were prepared to pay but why, in heavens name, did we up the ante before the other issues, which we KNEW about, were sorted. Now a huge part about of our bargaining power has gone. I sometimes wonder if I am just a simpleton who is missing some glaringly obvious issue that would incinerate my reasoning in an instant. I almost wish that were so, it would be the lesser of the two evils!!

December 5, 2017

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Walking on thin ice or Brexit by Ireland Ireland

December 5, 2017

Gerry Adams,  yep himself ,has raised his ugly face above the parapet again. His latest blather that Citizens rights would be damaged if the DUP have their way by staying in the United Kingdom. Then he stated that the Good Friday agreement would dead in the water cos that Ulster wanted not be separated from the rest of the United Kingdom,thus negating the European Courts having power of attorney. Me thinks a "hard Brexit " is coming,reasoning is that there would be an election and then the wimps would be voted out,also if a United Kingdom government caved in to Ireland is unthinkable.


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