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What is it the Scots want
August 26, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

August 26, 2015

I have read with dismay the antics of ex members of The new regiment (ScotsDG) they are really getting up my nose about what "England" has done to them and to Scotland.Living in Ireland as I do I keep my past quiet especially about the "op banner tours" local friends relize I was a soldier . I would confirm I'm not a republican more a monarchist,so when I hear stories of this and that done by the English as far back as Cromwell,I tutut in sympathy,they a majority in favour of independence and have got on with it .

So when I visit Facebook to how old comrades and friends and family are I get a barrage of snide comments on the "English" and the present Tory government,now I'm selective I actually agree with some comments on the government........BUT the constant blaming the woes onto the "English" gets a bit annoying,yes they are a sovereign country ,they have just a referendum on independence and vote was to stay a part of the UK. Here's that word again BUT since that vote they're getting a head of steam up blaming the "English " regular guys making statements that they must know are absolutely amazing and stupid.These guys are believing the tripe that the SNP are throwing out, one statement was about how the "English" treated India back in the 1830's,I googled this Lord and found the guy couldn't have made this statement in Westminster on the date in question as he was out of the country for 4years ,and his actions were taken out of context,what he wanted was locals (Indians) taught English so they could work for the Crown.I think I have upset one one my ex corporals,telling him to get the majority,go do your thing but for fuck sake stop blaming the "English " and look at their own history and understand we are and have been the best for 3 centuries!

August 26, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

August 26, 2015

Bob, I agree entirely with what you say, especially re the actions/statements of several serving members of the regiment of  today. That is disgraceful and unwarranted.The Scots are in the main a people , who, as you say, have recently voted to stay in the UK, and not go it alone. I wonder why??? We would be better off if we voted to go it alone,without them, but I fear that if we did, they would allow all these "refugees" waiting in mainland Europe, to use Scotland as a passing over place, letting them all over the present non controlled border between us and Scotland, into England, then build for themselves a wall 20 feet wide and 40 feet tall, from west coast to east coast, with NO gates twixt us and them. But shortly after they do this, even more and more of these "refugees" from Middle east and Africa will keep coming to Scotland and continue till Scotland sinks beneath the waves forever. They have no idea what they are saying and doing, until it is too late for them to realise they need to be in our UK. They are short sighted and narrow minded to say the least. As I have always thought, they never experienced the cameraderie and respect for each other, and our determination to keep the traditions of respect for one another in 3DG, 6DG and 3rd Carabiniers which we always had then, now and, no doubt, in the future.. And I do not care what they say!!

August 26, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

August 26, 2015

With regard to what these Scots on Facebook have said about the English maltreating the Indians  during their time in India in the  1800's, I must say that it was not ONLY English troops in India at that time, there were at least FOUR  Scottish regiments in India at the same time. These past and present Scots members of RSDG would be well advised to read Major Mick Stanley's recently published book Blood and Dust, which covers the Indian Mutiny, as seen by 6DG, at the time, and read what the Indian troops and civilians did to European women and children of not only the British troops and civilians, but also those of other European civilians serving in India at that time. THEN perhaps, they would change their minds totally. I will not, however, hold my breath, because they will tell me I am making it all up!! As I say let them read the book!!!!! The BRITISH troops only reacted with their way of punishing the mutineers after seeing all those civilians, male,female, and children, including new born, who were massacred.  PS... The Scots have not been a true Sovereign country since the Scots lost their throne a few centuries ago. Also, I feel sorry for all Scots who have no connection with the comments put about on facebook recently, they are victims also, as we are, in these Facebook comments.  

August 27, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

August 27, 2015

I have only read a small amount of the snide anti English rhetoric by ex SCOTS DG members and, as I remarked on a previous post. the topic was under discussion at the last NE Branch dinner by a small number of disappointed people. BUT; I have to say, those who I have heard of or read do not surprise me. The individuals I have read of or heard about always had the wherewithall to be nasty minded  in my recollection and their current anti English nastiness is no surprise to me......SADLY. It is interesting to note that those at the NE Branch Dinner who were castigating the rhetoric of ex SCOTS DG Facebook Nationalists were ALL Scots themselves, one of whom had seemingly responded to a particularly nasty remark by a former regimental member with the thought that person might well be a racist!! Thankfully it is a small minority and the vast majority of the Regimental family do not share such views. As an aside, the SNP seems to have gone very quiet of late, I know Parliament is in recess but I read the other day that many of the SNP are privately getting on very well with the Tories rather than Labour!! There's a turn up for the books!! Thankfully most of the inane anti English nastiness is now receding but like many others I also feel that too many Scots use England as a whipping post for their own home bred shortcomings. To add salt to the wound they are doing so whilst receiving a totally UNFAIR share if the UK's resources that facilitate their free prescriptions, free uni education et al, free resources that we are denied!!   Salmond's pre independence referendum financial forecast for the Scottish economy, based on oil revenues, has now been exposed as the banal and stupid lie it always was as oil revenues have slumped to an all time low. Had the Scots gained independence they would now be well and truly  in the proverbial!! Perhaps that's why the SNP has been so quiet about it all of late!! But wait a minute.......that 's the fault of us English, it has to be, FACEBOOK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!

August 28, 2015

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August 28, 2015

Both David &Tom have made valid points to a subject that shouldn't be brought up,but politics have a weird way of effecting people's sane thinking,what has happened to many North of the border is they lose the way with it all.The oil,whisky and I say with tongue in cheek the "Loch Ness" monster are Scottish money spinners ,the stationing of The UK 's nuclear deterrent on the west coast of the island of Britain is a sound reason,plus the jobs that come such an establishment.The UK is now mainly a service industry based economy,the ship building,aircraft,steel,coal,car (ok foreign owned) cotton, you get my drift have all gone or shrunk,this was mainly to do with what the unions and the emergence of the Eastern countries and very cheap labour,also once these skills are gone there gone(sorry for the pun). So if the SNP gets its wish full independence,they have to employ someone who can work out how to run an economy ,as Mr Salmonds guy really fecked up ! and tell it as it is without all this "Freedom" crap. Just putting a thought out there ,with 330000 migrants arriving in the UK last year there must be plenty of space in countries for the disgruntled Scots to have their "Freedom "!!! Ps ...Ryanair are very cheap

August 29, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

August 29, 2015

I don't know (or particularly care) what the minority of small-minded individuals are posting on the Facebook web site (I do not "do" Facebook), but I do know that many "Jocks" hate each other, never mind us English ! They spit venom at one another at their soccer matches just because of a differing religion, and just like the faceless F/B posters, do it behind the anonymity  of being "hidden" in the crowd. These are the same types who post snide comments on Facebook against the English, yet whilst serving, never had the guts to say it to our face ! As has rightly been pointed out, the vast majority of "Jocks" are NOT anti English - yes, like us, there is an in built rivalry in competing in ANYTHING, we both always want to win, but it's a healthy rivalry, out in the open, and not hiding in a gutless fashion amongst the crowd. The Scots I remain friends with, from my service days, are genuine guys who harbour no malice to us English, naturally  owe allegiance to their "mother" country, but yet would never dream of slagging off the English / Welsh /Irish  behind a keyboard screen. It's important we don't tar all Scots with the same brush as the F/B morons, the majority are decent, sensible and genuine guys who deserve our mutual respect. John Webster (JKW)

August 29, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

August 29, 2015

I was on advance party when we took over Lothian Bks from Royal Scots Greys, Rear Party, they were in HQ block and 3DG were in A Sqn block. A couple of days after we arrived, I was on guard duty, that evening, and as I returned to the guardroom, at the end of stag a Greys lad came fast into the guard room saying another Grey had been hit over the head with a bumper  by another Grey in a fight  in HQ block. Guard Cdr told me to go and see what had happened. I found this guy with blood running down his face from a split in his scalp. No other Greys to be seen by then. I ran back to guard rm, Gd Cdr called for ambulance, and the guy was taken off to hospital. My first and lasting thought was that if they could do that to a member of their own Regt, I would hate to have joined that Regt. Bumpers are bloody heavy things to lift in the air, so the poor casualty must have been badly hurt. This is true, not made up by me, honest.

August 30, 2015

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August 30, 2015

And before anyone asks, it was a FLOOR bumper, not a CAR bumper....

August 30, 2015

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August 30, 2015

Hey Tom if he'd been a Carb it would have been an electric one ,you couldn't allow a guy from the colonies to have an easy life

August 31, 2015

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August 31, 2015

OOOOH, you are cruel Bob.............

September 1, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

September 1, 2015

Read all this with interest guys.  We all know that some people like to spout shit, it has nothing to do with their nationality more to do with their personality.  Trust me we are not all anglophobes this side of the border and as was shown in the referendum the majority didn't want independance and still don't.  Nationalism if any form creates divides which the SNP nutters thrive on.  I regularly banter with English, Irish and Welsh mates that is all it is with most of us good natured former squadding piss taking. Ignore the bigots they do nothing more than sully their own reputations. Yours Aye Wee Frankie

September 1, 2015

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September 1, 2015

Frankie, I reckon that the vast majority of our members agree fully with what you so rightly say, and disassociate themselves ( me included) from those who slag off not just we Anglos, but all rational thinking peoples. It would be a strange world if everyone in it all agreed with just one belief, tenet or statement. We live in a society which is able to allow people to comment for and against thoughts or topics without letting their personal comments becoming rude, abusive or threatening. Changing subject, I watched the Edinburgh Tattoo on TV last evening, and was delighted to see the Guard of Honour being provided by the Regiment.  I even managed to spot the White Bearskin amongst all the Bands on parade!! My best regards, Tom

September 2, 2015

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What is it the Scots want

September 2, 2015

The lads did look the part as the guard of honour and the P&Ds with the drummers in their scarlet tunics and the bass drummer in his white bearskin always stand out. Now that the Regiment is based in Scotland and David Allfrey is taking over as Colonel of the Regiment later in the year alongside his day time role as the Director of the Tattoo I very much expect that SCOTS DG will be well represented in the coming years. Mibees next year we will see them doing a display on the esplanade in their new wee lego/dinky toys. They should also be a regular feature as the guard for the Castle. Nothing like a bit of Regimental nepotism to keep them in the puplic eye. Wee Frankie

September 2, 2015

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September 2, 2015

Nice to see your still around Frankie,what you said about what is being spouted from what I thought were decent mates back in the day is so true.I suppose it's human nature to blame someone else for your misfortune,today's politicians have a lot to answer for the way they're fudging the way our country is managed. Their forward planning is inept to say the least,they are reducing the once proud Regiments to shells of their former selves,as with the Tonka toys the Regiment has now,the only bright star is they've committed to the nuclear deterrent and in Scotland (for the jobs needed there) . My personal opinion on what's happening in the world today is that we should be building our defences not reducing them,there's a lot of crazy people out there and it seems they all want to come to the UK,the old saying of "the bottle will only hold a pint " comes to mind .The problem is the looney tunes want lots of bottles BUT don't want to pay IT!!!!!!!!


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