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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga
March 15, 2018

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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga

March 15, 2018

My thoughts thus far.

1. TM is unlikely to have accused the Russians of involvement without some pretty substantial evidence given the enormity of the charge.

2. There was never a cat in hell’s chance of Putin responding to any deadline set by anyone, let alone a country as defensively weakened as ours.

3. The Russian ‘spokesperson’ said it all with the response ‘ who does Britsin think it is treating a nuclear power in this way?’

4. We are now perceived by the major world powers to be militarily so weakened as not to present a credible threat. It will take many years before we are ever able to build our military capability back to what  it was when it was globally respected. To do that would require substantial investment in weapons, equipment and manpower. I am in no doubt that funding will not be forthcoming. Perhaps we are relying on the USA which is pumping huge amounts of extra funding into bolstering its military and nuclear weapons arsenals,

5. The sanctions imposed by TM will be perceived by Putin more as an insult than anything else. Putin is revered by a huge swathe of the Russian population, he enjoys a popularity that TM, Trump and other western leaders can only dream about. His popularity serves to further consolidate his position as Russian leader. In today’s Russia most pro Putin supporters have a good life and are grateful to him for expanding Russian influence by strength and force.

6.We had to do something, TM was twixt a rock and a hard place. Russia has been allowed to get away with other assassinations in this country with little or no repercussions. Russian oligarchs and gangsters buy huge annd vastly expensive buildings and other developments in this country, it’s  money laundering on a global scale. The repercussions were measured and proportionate ( some might argue too proportionate) but will have little effect other than to rankle Putin who will respond in kind.

7. JC. When the chips are down the treachery and cowardly whining of the traitors  becomes all too apparent. Anyone who now doubts the danger this  communist/terrorist supporting left wing radical poses to our country must be living in cloud cuckoo land. I was very heartened however to listen to and watch the majority of Labour MPs supporting the PM in Parliament,  in direct opposition to their leader and his cronies, Abbott and McDonnell.

8. The future? Who knows. One thing I am sure of is the need for this country to radically strengthen its military capabilities. If that means blowing a hole in austerity plans so be it, we simply cannot afford to be perceived to be so weak that world powers feel able to assassinate citizens in this country with impunity, free from any real threat of retaliation.

Finally, are we sure Russia is responsible? Umm, I watched a clip of Putin on Russian State TV, discussing Skripal and other perceived traitors to Russia, he vowed they would be hunted down and dealt with. He stated there could be no hiding place for them. Meanwhile another Putin opponent domiciled in London, Nikolai Glushkov has now been found dead in suspicious circumstances. I believe Putin thinks he is pretty invincible. He has escaped reprisals for his invasion of The Crimea, his incursions into Ukraine and their borders go unpunished, he openly supports Assad and Russian planes kill hundreds of Syrian civilians daily without fear of reprisals. Russian cyber space attacks across Europe and likely the USA seem to be virtually unstoppable. Putin is on a high and he has the expansionist ideas of a megalomaniac. The west should be worried in my opinion.

 

 

 

March 15, 2018

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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga

March 15, 2018

I was initially highly sceptical of Putin's direct involvement simply because he and / or his agents must have been Dumbo's to commit such a crime on British soil using such methods. To bring into the UK a nerve agent ONLY made in Russia, and to use it against a former Russian spy & his daughter whilst exposing others to the danger too, thus  leaving such an obvious trail back to the Russian State, smacks of total amateurism in the "assassination world". There are plenty of other ways to kill someone without arousing such suspicions - to utilise nerve agents like this, was Putin purely saying to the world " Look at me, there's no hiding place anywhere on earth if you cross me", thereby giving out a warning to others tempted to betray him AND showing  his followers just how powerful a leader he is ? With the upcoming elections he's obviously sending out a clear message - "Vote For Me".   Further sanctions against Russia are needed - TM has made a good 1st step, has got other important Western allies on-side, and should now seize the assets of those Russians in the UK, especially those who have bought up most of the London property. Will Putin turn off  the gas supply we get from Russia ? It could backfire on him if he did - he needs the money to back his expansionist policies. The head of NATO was also vocal today, highlighting the many other atrocities that Putin's gang are suspected strongly as being responsible for. We need our Allies to stand firm with us - so far so good because they are, but as David rightly says, we also desperately need to strengthen our Armed Forces to offer credibility to our "message to Putin". Will the purse strings be loosened to allow it to happen ? Somehow I doubt it, but there's more chance of such investment with a Tory Government than there EVER will be with Corbyn's crowd. John (JKW)

March 16, 2018

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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga

March 16, 2018

The knee jerk re-action to the Russian ( i.e. Putin) is a bit slow ,yes he has all opponents liquidated,yes he's keeping Sadat in power and rules Russia with an iron hand ,more importantly Russia supplies most of Europe ( Germany) with gas-oil. Me thinks that " money" will out ,our European friends will not want turn the lights off. At the moment only the French have come to our aid in Europe in telling Putin enough is enough as they only use nuclear power and not gas etc. History has a job of repeating itself ,20 odd years between wars or conflicts,not saying that "war" is likely with the main contagionist armed with the bomb,but it doesn't take an Einstein to work out Putins ambitions. We in the west just want to get on with life and thus allowing DICTATORS like Putin flourish. The other guys who posted are correct in their posts ,but I'm going to be the devils advocate and be pessimistic,if HE ( Putin) isn't stopped now our children or grandchildren are going to have to a uniform on in the near future. Reasoning is that a guy not so long ago did similar things in Germany and if we had stood up to him earlier 50/60 million people wouldn't have died.Logic or knee jerk ?????!

March 16, 2018

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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga

March 16, 2018

Russia’s economy is about 1/3 rd smaller than our own, despite its vast size. It spends  5.3% of GDP on its military, currently estimated at 68 billion US dollars pa. Russia’s weapons’ arsenal and standing army is many times greater than our own. We spend approximately 1.8% of GDP, about 48 billion US dollars pa, on military and associated expenditure but a percentage of that includes emergency aid etc. Our standing army is at its smallest since the Napoleonic wars, our navy is decimated as is our airforce. Incoming recruits don’t even match the outflow of trained servicemen and women let alone fill the void in expertise and experience lost. I believe Putin now has disdain for us as a military power. Today’s media asserts the nerve agent entered the country in the daughter’s case she brought from Russia when they came here on exchange. There are now over 140 British residents on health watch following the incident. It IS possible one of  Putin’s secret service agencies carried out a rogue operation unknown to him. It is possible the Russian mafia are responsible. BUT the nerve agent is military grade with proven heritage to Russia. Putin was asked to respond to one or other of the possibilities that the Russian state was responsible for the assassination attempts OR that they had lost control of their nerve agent stocks. He chose to ignore us. If TM had not taken action, as has happened with previous Russian assassinations, Putin would only have been further emboldened. As JKW says, Putin faces an imminent election, he is revered by many of the Russian electorate, he is hero worshipped for his actions in the Crimea and Ukraine. He knows his supporters want him to be a strong feared world politician and I am in no doubt this latest assassination attempt was part and parcel of his televised promise to hunt down and seek retribution on Russia’s traitors. It wa a blatant show of strength and total disdain for the UK. You are right Bob, today’s reticence to act against Putin’s increasing aggression and impudence could well prove a deadly heritage to our grandchildren who may well face the consequences of our continued reluctance to reclaim our position on the world stage of military capability. Did I mention the £12;8 billion we continue to spend on overseas aid whilst this is all happening? Many times you say! Oh I must have forgot!

March 16, 2018

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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga

March 16, 2018

I see another Russian has been topped,what price to upsetting the powers that be in Russia let alone living in Syria or the Ukraine.

March 16, 2018

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The Nerve Agent Poisoning Saga

March 16, 2018

Putin will NOT be getting a Christmas Card from ME ever, he is a lunatic. Now THAT told him...... Tom


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