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August 10, 2020

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What defence of the UK

August 10, 2020

Watching TV/FB/Papers the numbers coming across the Channel are getting ridiculous. The UK is paying the French millions £‘S to monitor the illegals in and Calais ,Dunkirk . The people smugglers are making a fortune from the illegals ,thousands per person and somebody’s in authority is getting a back hander . Why? well there was a tv reporter monitoring a beach and had video of a rubber boat being loaded with illegals this took over a 30 minute time period. Yet there was NO French officials patrolling this empty beach and I wonder WHY ,not even one copper was there . The plans to have the NAVY sorting this problem,I ask what NAVY they’ve spent all that budget on 2 aircraft carriers ,the remainder are off cruising the world or stuck in port .Whatthey should be doing is sending them back to FRANCE for them to sort . To travel across 4/5 countries to get the UK for the benefits or claim diplomatic help ,why not France,Germany,Italy etc.SEND THEM BACK and house our OWN

August 10, 2020

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August 10, 2020

We already provide France with money & resources to stop the immigrants, but it's obviously not working. We need tough measures to deter them from even trying - I wouldn't intercept the boats, just monitor their progress & when landing here, ship them straight back to the French beaches. As it is now, the rescuers ( Border Force and Lifeboats) are endangering themselves when picking them up - leave 'em, if they sink maybe boathook them out and then return them directly to the French coast. The Lib Dums & other tree huggers are saying we should encourage them here, "they're fleeing persecution"  - what, from France !?! That's where they should be housed,  having escaped from their homelands & having paid the criminal gangs who provide the boats to cross the Channel . Boris & Co must make it clear that if they land here they're getting nowt but a single one way ticket to France - we can't afford to be providers of free accommodation, food etc, especially during these virus laden times ;  the responsibility lies squarely in France who let them into their country in the first place - they wanted the open border policy of the EU, we didn't, which is one of the reasons we left the EU ! John (JKW)

August 17, 2020

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August 17, 2020

Hello John/Bob. Yes it's me again. I've been reading your comments about illegal immigrants and have come to the conclusion that you may be correct John. Waiting for illegals to cross the channel- lots of effort and expense on their part !- and then sending them back HOME with the cooperation with the French authorities and the others who signed the open border policy would be a better policy and money we give to the EU (read French) would in my opinion be better spent. WHY did I reach this conclusion ? Stand on any major motorway bridge and count the vast numbers of cars-not all of them full, granted.- then pick out the illegals !! not easy is it !!!! So imagine the authorities of all the countries that the "illegals" cross and you may see that Johns "idea" makes more sense. It is only when the "illegals" make a physical effort to, get into a boat, (Get one in the first place) row across the channel and then make an ILLEGAL CROSSING OF A BORDER that we can all see and witness who they are and take action.....we have the water between us and the EU countries.... I know there are other bodies of water in Europe but with cooperation and shared resources .........??

August 17, 2020

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August 17, 2020

Good argument Mick ,BUT the UK pays the French god knows how many million pounds/euros to keep an eye on these people that the Sengen borders allows to travel across freely. I am supposing that the French Germans Italians don’t have FREE money or ACCOMMODATION to economic migrants let alone claiming asylum ,which I believe the UK does. The UK can’t keep accepting all of these people as we have to look after our own first .

August 18, 2020

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August 18, 2020

Bob, I have been reading all about the Schengen agreement and its a "Bloody minefield" Originally the EU countries that signed the act are numerous. Some EU countries opted out, there are countries in the Schengen area who are not in the EU and although Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria originally opted out of the agreement-just as the UK and the Republic of Ireland did-I think that some-if not all-of them were in the process of opting in.....don't seem to be able to get a definitive answer on this one though ?!? ----Anyway Bob it's a minefield and will not post again on this subject.....I hope ?     Luv Mick.

August 25, 2020

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August 25, 2020

It is now proposed to put the entire "fleet" of main battle tanks into "mothball state" - what a proposal !?! Putin will be crying with laughter. Not only will it rob our tank crews of ANY realistic training, the tanks themselves will take quite some time to become operational again and the crews too will be stale & unable to be up to speed for a long time in the event of an emergency, ie, Russians deciding to attack. In addition, what about the morale of the troops ? You can train on simulators indoors only for so long before getting jarred off with "playing" at tank warfare, and recruiting ? Who'll want to join an armoured Regiment that doesn't have any tanks ? I know it's all about saving money, but I'd cut the foreign aid to nil rather than mothball our tanks, which ARE a deterrent to conventional attack. John (JKW)

August 26, 2020

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August 26, 2020

Hi John. I agree with your sentiments altogether as I distinctly remember NATO's "Flexible response" policy from my EPC days, but I am also a great believer in modernising our Forces and our "resulting strategy" . However whilst the Russians still have all their (outdated and inferior) Forces intact (presumably). then I am also appalled at our "MODERN" Forces - NO ARMOUR, QUITE A FEW RESERVISTS (Read TA)  (no conventional forces in any great number in Europe) - being  depleted with little or no mention as to our small helicopter gunship force (Tank busters). Are we to rely on the USA for ALL our "professional" reserves and equipment? Remember where our tanks came from during ww2 and.....who was it said....and I quote "  THOSE who cannot remember the past are condemned (doomed) to repeat it.

August 26, 2020

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August 26, 2020

George Santayana said that. He was a Spanish philosopher famous for aphorisms.    

August 27, 2020

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August 27, 2020

Hello David. Nice to hear from you- and thanks for the info. .......You back ?

September 1, 2020

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September 1, 2020

Thanks Mick, I guess I am......back, only just seen your post.  


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