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April 26, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 26, 2018

I don't profess to know very much about the issue, but DO know that Labour are making political capital out of watching both the PM & Home Secretary squirm. Labour are focusing on bits of the subject that are largely irrelevant, ie target figures & who said what and when, rather than what the Government seem willing and able to do, which is to help / compensate those badly affected. Yes, there's been a cock up along the way, unintended IMO but nevertheless, a cock up. The "Windrush" generation seem to have been caught up amongst the need to expel / limit illegals in our country, something Labour turned a blind eye to,& indeed, actively encouraged people to arrive on our shores in vast numbers.  Apologies and a determined effort to right the wrong should be the priority, and NOT the sniping resignation calls from Corbyn & Abbott, which certainly won't help someone who was shipped wrongly, back to Jamaica.    John (JKW)

April 27, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 27, 2018

Labour ARE deliberately obfuscating the Government’s attempts to deport illegal immigrants and the cock up over Windrush. BUT it is a sad indictment on Government that both TM and Amber Rudd knew about the matter over two years ago and only started to try to resolve the problem when the proverbial hit the fan via the media. No one is really sure which party presided over the deliberate destruction of the Home Office documents that detailed who was granted residency during the ‘Windrush’ years. TM says it was Labour, Labour says TM was responsible when she was Home Secretary. Either way,  how these folk have been treated is a travesty of justice. People are homeless, stranded in Jamaica and elsewhere, separated from their entire families who are still domiciled in the UK. People lost their jobs, their homes, were refused medical care, detained in detention centres  and treated worse than criminals and TM and Rudd KNEW about it! They knew about the destroyed documents, they knew about the appeals and the broken families, they knew about the folk who left the UK to visit Jamaica and other West Indies Countries and weren’t allowed back. Corbyn is a dangerous and terrorist supporting cretin, Abbot is a no better but I’m afraid this issue puts TM and Rudd, along with whoever else was involved, in a very poor light. This country is awash with illegal immigrants, we are home to hordes of Romanian gangsters, European murderers and rapists use our Human Rights laws to avoid deportation, every facet of our social services, health and education system is straining to cope with immigrants and we decide to deport folk we asked to come here when we needed them for our Labour market. Sure we have to concentrate on righting the wrongs we inflicted on these people but I’m not sure that political mismanagement on this scale should be ignored. AND:  If there were a viable alternative to the Tories I would change my voting habits of a lifetime!

April 27, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 27, 2018

Here's a thought ,yes we have millions yes millions of " illegals " in the U.K. ,yes we brought people from all over the Commonwealth to help get Britain get back on its feet after WW2 . Now being of the age of seeing these Commonwealth citizens being absorbed into the UK workforce as a kid ,clippies ,postman and council workers etc ,the bigger problem is the EU citizens now residents of the UK . Why after Brexit there will be MORE EU citizens in the North of Ireland than local born Irish,this is the latest ( poss fake ) coming from Dublins government. I know where I live the numbers of east European i.e. Rumania,Polish,Lithuanian,etc numbers have increased amazingly,were it was the odd person in the many now it's hard to find an Irish citizen serving in a pub,restaurant etc ,as they say "Food for thought " on the British mainland and government. As stated the Labour government just let the doors open ,then decided to limit the numbers with the illegal policy of 2009 ,thus catching the commonwealth un documented Windrush migrants in the system. Pity the Tories didn't do their homework.

April 27, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 27, 2018

You make a reasonable point Bob, there are indeed very many illegals domiciled in this country, no one truly knows how many! The problem with Government ineptitude, with their mismanagement of this matter, is it gives sustenance to the very people (Labour) who helped create the problem in the first place with their ‘open door’ policies. Now, faced with (justifiable) criticism and the full glare of the media, Ms Rudd has scrapped Government targets that were set to focus on the deportation of illegal immigrants. She did so after just yesterday or so denying such targets ever existed. The targets ARE necessary, scrapping them won’t resolve the Windrush debacle, it won’t undo the terrible injustices so many of that generation have been subjected to. It’s another ill conceived knee jerk reaction. Ms Rudd was once touted as a potential successor to TM, I doubt that situation now prevails. Her inane remarks  yesterday about the country staying in the Customs Union merely added more fuel to her impending political funeral pyre.

April 27, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 27, 2018

At least my "Windrush" topic got us talking again !! John (JKW)

April 28, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 28, 2018

It did that John, all 3 of us lol.

April 28, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 28, 2018

There's one thought. You have your picture on your driving licence ,here you have your picture on your Personal Service Number card ,without this card you don't get sod all from the state mmmm. To be a service member you needed an I D card . Most countries across the world have some form of identification,so WHY doesn't the United Kingdom have one . )PS I've still got mine from the war but it's just a little book no photo as I was just a child . ( I wonder if the introduction of such card would ease problems by the NHS etc ?????

April 28, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 28, 2018

The idea was mooted some time ago I believe, and the "tree huggers" and PC Brigade felt it was an infringement of human rights, plus an invasion of privacy ! They also asked "how anyone could be expected to carry around an ID Card", because it was unfair ! To make matters worse, I think the Government wanted a fairly high fee for us to pay in order to get one of these ID Cards - in other words, a great idea which would certainly help the police & NHS in their daily work, but flawed from the outset by muddled thinking. John (JKW)

April 28, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 28, 2018

Google: Identity Cards Act 2006 it will explain the whole sorry saga.

April 28, 2018

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Posts: 1384
“Windrush”

April 28, 2018

Google: Identity Cards Act 2006 it will explain the whole sorry saga.

April 28, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 28, 2018

No need to do it twice though.

April 29, 2018

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“Windrush”

April 29, 2018

been away doing things not to be mentioned, however I have tried to my keep my finger on the pulse so to speak, it would seem that the National Archive in London has records kept of every one who came to UK under the Windrush scheme up to the early 1970s, it needs to be addressed and pronto, I hear that all Windrush the people affected, are to be compensated for losses incurred, be that loss of jobs, income, houses, etc etc, and that people wrongly deported will have the right to return ( if they so wish),all transport to be free,  I think the whole state of affairs is deplorable, the government needs to act with purposeful alacrity before even more extreme flak comes their way, let this occur much faster than the prevaricating over the Grenfell Tower debacle, it would seem to me that in the event of an emergency where armed forces are involved and British interest are involved the hierarchy  can really move, be it at the governments peril to be slow in this matter, actions speak louder than words. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AND BRITISH CITIZENS. No more excuses GET ON WITH IT.

May 2, 2018

Joined: May 15, 2014
Posts: 59
“Windrush”

May 2, 2018

Here,Here,and get shut of the house of lords at the same time . think of all the money they get,  could fund the army !!!!

May 3, 2018

Joined: May 14, 2014
Posts: 1050
“Windrush”

May 3, 2018

I agree totally to the msg above, how about US getting £360 odd for visiting the House of Lords for all of 30 minutes then going back to their multi million pound fortresses cos they are tired. BAN them all now, they are all money grabbing no marks who are well beyond their sell by date. I wish I could do that every day!!!!! Tom


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