Global warming
Quote from Bob Riley on December 1, 2023, 8:38 pmIf this is global warming I’m not going to buy an electric car,why well it’s minus 3 here in Tipperary and it hasn’t rained in 4 days . All this crap about fossil fuels is a wind up ,as you look up into the sky at night we see a different world out there ,so does that mean the EARTH is travelling through space and different places have different temperatures. As you read at school the Dinosaurs didn’t have cars/planes etc so the ice age is just another example of the earth travelling through space and changing climate. I could be wrong but then again I don’t build electric cars.
If this is global warming I’m not going to buy an electric car,why well it’s minus 3 here in Tipperary and it hasn’t rained in 4 days . All this crap about fossil fuels is a wind up ,as you look up into the sky at night we see a different world out there ,so does that mean the EARTH is travelling through space and different places have different temperatures. As you read at school the Dinosaurs didn’t have cars/planes etc so the ice age is just another example of the earth travelling through space and changing climate. I could be wrong but then again I don’t build electric cars.
Quote from DavidFullard on December 2, 2023, 3:21 pmThe earth doesn’t really travel through space, it rotates on its axis around the sun. That axis incorporates a fairly significant tilt of some 23 degrees. The amount of the earth’s surface facing the sun during that axis tilt, over 365 days, produces our seasons.
Climate change does occur naturally, the ice age you mention is proof of that. But since the early 19th century mankind has slowly but exponentially increased its influence on climate change in the form of global warming. Fossil fuel usage, factories, transport and the decimation of forests globally are the main influencing factors. The emissions rise up and blanket the atmosphere catching the heat of the sun and increasing the temperatures of the world. Temperatures are now increasing faster than any time in recorded history.
I was an early climate change denier, but no more, there is overwhelming scientific data and proof to support the facts. Combating climate change is difficult for a number of reasons;1. A significant number of folk think it is a fantasy.
2. Those that DO believe in it mostly aren’t prepared to pay the price today to save our grandkids’ tomorrows. We have seen the pressures put on Leaders resultant from the financial implications of banning ICE vehicles, gas boilers etc and the extension of cut off dates for these products to be withdrawn from the new sales markets.
3. A significant number of the world’s populations are old enough not to be affected by the worst future predictions of climate change.
4. While the world’s leaders talk the talk, they don’t walk the walk. The main contributors to the global emissions, China, India, USA et al are not prepared to cut back emissions either significantly or speedily enough. The effect on their economies in doing so would be massively significant.
I believe we will continue to stumble towards catastrophic climate change talking a lot about it, tinkering at the edges desperately trying to find a balance twixt implementing the radical changes that need to be made against the effect such changes have on peoples’ daily lives and world economies generally.
I fear the day will come when a final massive wake up call is delivered by nature. A wake up call so disastrous that even the biggest sceptics and the most cautious of world leaders will suddenly be scrabbling around implementing long term emergency measures to try to stop climate change from increasing. Much of it is already irreversible.
The earth doesn’t really travel through space, it rotates on its axis around the sun. That axis incorporates a fairly significant tilt of some 23 degrees. The amount of the earth’s surface facing the sun during that axis tilt, over 365 days, produces our seasons.
Climate change does occur naturally, the ice age you mention is proof of that. But since the early 19th century mankind has slowly but exponentially increased its influence on climate change in the form of global warming. Fossil fuel usage, factories, transport and the decimation of forests globally are the main influencing factors. The emissions rise up and blanket the atmosphere catching the heat of the sun and increasing the temperatures of the world. Temperatures are now increasing faster than any time in recorded history.
I was an early climate change denier, but no more, there is overwhelming scientific data and proof to support the facts. Combating climate change is difficult for a number of reasons;
1. A significant number of folk think it is a fantasy.
2. Those that DO believe in it mostly aren’t prepared to pay the price today to save our grandkids’ tomorrows. We have seen the pressures put on Leaders resultant from the financial implications of banning ICE vehicles, gas boilers etc and the extension of cut off dates for these products to be withdrawn from the new sales markets.
3. A significant number of the world’s populations are old enough not to be affected by the worst future predictions of climate change.
4. While the world’s leaders talk the talk, they don’t walk the walk. The main contributors to the global emissions, China, India, USA et al are not prepared to cut back emissions either significantly or speedily enough. The effect on their economies in doing so would be massively significant.
I believe we will continue to stumble towards catastrophic climate change talking a lot about it, tinkering at the edges desperately trying to find a balance twixt implementing the radical changes that need to be made against the effect such changes have on peoples’ daily lives and world economies generally.
I fear the day will come when a final massive wake up call is delivered by nature. A wake up call so disastrous that even the biggest sceptics and the most cautious of world leaders will suddenly be scrabbling around implementing long term emergency measures to try to stop climate change from increasing. Much of it is already irreversible.
Quote from Cliff_C on December 4, 2023, 8:36 pmThe problem is mans greed and it really saddens me to see how much money the oil companies make and it is never enough.
I have worked in the oil industry since 88 and nothing ever changes.
Daily production figures (barrels per day) are on average:
UK 800000
USA 17 million
Saudi 12 million
Angola 1.4
The price of a barrel is $78. The companies greet about the cost to get a barrel out of the ground. I was on a rig not long ago and it cost $8, anything after that is profit. Now that is the North Sea, Saudi/USA & Angola, it only costs 50 cents to get a barrel out of the ground. Do the maths?
Its funny money! I was on one rig in the Ggulf of Mexico that was producing a quarter million barrels per day at $100 per barrel
That is just a few countries. As long as the countries involved can make such criminally disgusting amounts of money then nothing will be done about the climate
Then there is the wind turbine scam! Scotland has unlimited supplies of "Hydro" yet we pollute the landscape with wind farms. Also the wind turbine tax scam, I was part of an inspection team that was tasked to survey a wind farm off Great yarmouth, They had all been built on the cheap as part of the tax scam, and after ten years were not fit for purpose (de-lamination). The company was asked to get their staff to sign a gagging order so as not to go public.
As long as folk are greedy, then as private Fraser says "we are all Doomed".
Best wishes
Cliff
The problem is mans greed and it really saddens me to see how much money the oil companies make and it is never enough.
I have worked in the oil industry since 88 and nothing ever changes.
Daily production figures (barrels per day) are on average:
UK 800000
USA 17 million
Saudi 12 million
Angola 1.4
The price of a barrel is $78. The companies greet about the cost to get a barrel out of the ground. I was on a rig not long ago and it cost $8, anything after that is profit. Now that is the North Sea, Saudi/USA & Angola, it only costs 50 cents to get a barrel out of the ground. Do the maths?
Its funny money! I was on one rig in the Ggulf of Mexico that was producing a quarter million barrels per day at $100 per barrel
That is just a few countries. As long as the countries involved can make such criminally disgusting amounts of money then nothing will be done about the climate
Then there is the wind turbine scam! Scotland has unlimited supplies of "Hydro" yet we pollute the landscape with wind farms. Also the wind turbine tax scam, I was part of an inspection team that was tasked to survey a wind farm off Great yarmouth, They had all been built on the cheap as part of the tax scam, and after ten years were not fit for purpose (de-lamination). The company was asked to get their staff to sign a gagging order so as not to go public.
As long as folk are greedy, then as private Fraser says "we are all Doomed".
Best wishes
Cliff
Quote from jkwebster06 on December 5, 2023, 9:23 pmCliff, VERY interesting your info on the cost of extracting oil & the daily amounts compared to the price paid at the pumps, but your assertion that "as long as folk are greedy then nothing will change" is so true too. I reckon the oil companies treat their profit figures as being in competition with each other, neither willing to slacken off because the shareholders would kick off. Greed will always surface because with such profits comes power - I just wonder how they'll all manage when / if the electric vehicle revolution fully takes off ? Have the Gulf states and the oil companies got a Plan B ? Maybe not, & hence they're making hay whilst the sun shines.
Cliff, VERY interesting your info on the cost of extracting oil & the daily amounts compared to the price paid at the pumps, but your assertion that "as long as folk are greedy then nothing will change" is so true too. I reckon the oil companies treat their profit figures as being in competition with each other, neither willing to slacken off because the shareholders would kick off. Greed will always surface because with such profits comes power - I just wonder how they'll all manage when / if the electric vehicle revolution fully takes off ? Have the Gulf states and the oil companies got a Plan B ? Maybe not, & hence they're making hay whilst the sun shines.
Quote from DavidFullard on December 6, 2023, 9:55 amJKW re your question ‘have the Gulf States and oil companies a Plan B’. Having read the Shell analysis of the likely impact of EVs on oil consumption the answer SEEMS to be NO…there is no Plan B.
Shell assert 80% of all oil consumption is ‘non transport’ associated. They further believe, whilst post 2035 there WILL be an impact on oil consumption, it will be by no means a game changer.
There is a strong suggestion that there will be a surge of new ICE vehicle purchases in the lead in to 2035. Coupled to a likely propensity for others to hold onto ICE cars they might otherwise have traded up for new rather than go electric the transition from ICE to electric will be a very slow one. Last time I looked sales of EVs were fairly stagnant in the UK even more so in the USA.
It will be interesting to see when car manufacturers cease ICE production because that will also impact on the duration of the full transition to EVs.
Personally I’m not sure that the assertions by Shell, whilst partially valid, aren’t ‘calming measures’ as an eventual 20% loss of oil revenue to both the oil producing countries AND the oil companies would be huge…surely? Perhaps they feel the real impact of it all is far enough away ( 20-30 years?) for it to be a problem to face nearer the time?
JKW re your question ‘have the Gulf States and oil companies a Plan B’. Having read the Shell analysis of the likely impact of EVs on oil consumption the answer SEEMS to be NO…there is no Plan B.
Shell assert 80% of all oil consumption is ‘non transport’ associated. They further believe, whilst post 2035 there WILL be an impact on oil consumption, it will be by no means a game changer.
There is a strong suggestion that there will be a surge of new ICE vehicle purchases in the lead in to 2035. Coupled to a likely propensity for others to hold onto ICE cars they might otherwise have traded up for new rather than go electric the transition from ICE to electric will be a very slow one. Last time I looked sales of EVs were fairly stagnant in the UK even more so in the USA.
It will be interesting to see when car manufacturers cease ICE production because that will also impact on the duration of the full transition to EVs.
Personally I’m not sure that the assertions by Shell, whilst partially valid, aren’t ‘calming measures’ as an eventual 20% loss of oil revenue to both the oil producing countries AND the oil companies would be huge…surely? Perhaps they feel the real impact of it all is far enough away ( 20-30 years?) for it to be a problem to face nearer the time?